Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?

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There is no one that can take you out of GODs HAND, BUT by your own free will you can jump out . HE dose not take your free will from US ,SAVE OR LOST ,
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Are you a member of a freewill Baptist Church? Curious, this is what they believe. They do not believe in the sealing of the Holy Spirit.
 
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It is very plain in the BIBLE , And only needs to tell me in one place .GOD has no respect of persons IF one group of haft to endure then all haft to endure . IF we will look at the OLD testament close , we can see that they where saves by GRACE JUST LIKE we are . The only difference is that the ten Commandments was WROTE in stone then . BUT now the ten Commandments is wrote in our HEARTS . 1 COR 7:19 tells you what is important in the new covenant ,IT's WHAT ???
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If one person has to build an ark, then we all have to build an ark.😉
 
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Salvation is a one time event. Revelation 14:12 are tribulation saints.
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Like I said tribulations is two fold , The deadly wound is healed , then it will happen again , But a lot of people call it the time of troubles , GOD bless as HE sees fit.
 
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Like I said tribulations is two fold , The deadly wound is healed , then it will happen again , But a lot of people call it the time of troubles , GOD bless as HE sees fit.
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The time of Jacob’s trouble, not the Church.
 
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The time of Jacob’s trouble, not the Church.
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I need BIBLE To stand on , Not what you think , WE DO NOT THINK LIKE GOD < HIS ways are far above , HOW we think .I need what the BIBLE says ,NOT even what I thing , is anything , BUT BIBLE only .
 
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John146 said:
The time of Jacob’s trouble, not the Church.
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And it will be the CHURCH's TROUBLEs , This is GODs saints in the last days , Jacob was not killed , BUT these in the last days , WILL BE KILLED , And they will be gods saints , GODs church . The lost will not be willing to die for GODs WORD .
 
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There is no 100% physical manifestation of healing now. You don't disagree with that correct?
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There is where there is faith.

5He (Jesus) could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6He was amazed at their lack of faith. - Mark 6:5-6

If it was this way during Jesus' ministry, how much more so at this time.
 
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There is where there is faith.

5He (Jesus) could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6He was amazed at their lack of faith. - Mark 6:5-6

If it was this way during Jesus' ministry, how much more so at this time.
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So, again, you are altering what Mark 16:17-18 actually says.
 
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John146 said:
Are you a member of a freewill Baptist Church? Curious, this is what they believe. They do not believe in the sealing of the Holy Spirit.
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You are sealed with the Holy Spirit as long as you are believing.
Nothing can touch the saint who believes in Christ.
That's why you should keep believing. He is faithful to keep those who are trusting in him to do that:

23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Heb. 10:23
 
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I need BIBLE To stand on , Not what you think , WE DO NOT THINK LIKE GOD < HIS ways are far above , HOW we think .I need what the BIBLE says ,NOT even what I thing , is anything , BUT BIBLE only .
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We have the mind of Christ.
 
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Judges1318 said:
There is where there is faith.

5He (Jesus) could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6He was amazed at their lack of faith. - Mark 6:5-6

If it was this way during Jesus' ministry, how much more so at this time.
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Paul didn’t have enough faith to heal Trophimus?
 
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Judges1318 said:
You are sealed with the Holy Spirit as long as you are believing.
Nothing can touch the saint who believes in Christ.
That's why you should keep believing. He is faithful to keep those who are trusting in him to do that:

23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Heb. 10:23
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Never a condition on the seal of the Holy Spirit. You have to go outside Paul’s teachings to the Church to gather that.
 
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John146 said:
Never a condition on the seal of the Holy Spirit. You have to go outside Paul’s teachings to the Church to gather that.
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All the promises are for those who presently believe. Not for those who have stopped believing.
 
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John146 said:
20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
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And so I ask again.
Did he not have enough faith to heal him?
What about Trophimus himself?
Chapter and verse will provide the answer.
 
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Judges1318 said:
And so I ask again.
Did he not have enough faith to heal him?
What about Trophimus himself?
Chapter and verse will provide the answer.
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Paul lost the gift of healing. It was only given as a sign to Jews to believe the message. After their rejection, the sign gifts would cease. Gentiles walk by faith not by sight.
 
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Judges1318 said:
You are sealed with the Holy Spirit as long as you are believing.
Nothing can touch the saint who believes in Christ.
That's why you should keep believing. He is faithful to keep those who are trusting in him to do that:

23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Heb. 10:23
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Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

We can grieve the Holy Spirit by walking after the flesh, but we remain sealed.
 
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John146 said:
Paul lost the gift of healing. It was only given as a sign to Jews to believe the message. After their rejection, the sign gifts would cease. Gentiles walk by faith not by sight.
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So Jews don't need this sign now?
I will agree that miraculous healing is seen more among unbelievers than among the people of God, and for the purpose of testifying to them the reality of God, Christ, and the gospel. Ironically, they usually have more faith in God than believers, lol. Believers seem to have resigned themselves to not receiving help from God. Doctrines of cessationism sure don't help that, now does it?
 
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