Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign

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Ahwatukee

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In 1Cor.15:55 where Paul is quoting the OT, he translates "grave" as "hades", so you're wrong.
As I said, the word "hades" is always referring to the place of departed spirits. Did you not read the definition of the word that I provided.
Hades was the place where the spirit of the rich man went after the death of his body:

"One day the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. And the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side."

So, we have the body of the rich man dying, yet his spirit is conscious and aware down in Hades. How is that the grave? Was Abraham and the rich man having a conversation in the grave? No! Their spirits were in Hades, while their bodies were up on the earth decaying. Below is 1 Cor.15:15

"Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?”

In the previous scriptures, Paul just got done saying the following:

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."

So, Paul was saying that not all will be dead, but we will all be changed and caught up. This is because believers in Christ will either be resurrected or changed and caught up. This is what prompts Paul to say "Where, O Death is your Victory, Where Death is your sting?" Because though believers die, yet shall they live at the resurrection. And the living will be changed and caught up with them. So, death has not power over those who are in Christ.

No where in that scripture is Paul speaking about the grave.

When the resurrection takes place, the body will be resurrected and the spirit will be reunited with that resurrected body. The living believer will simply be changed immortal and glorified. Because of this, Death has no victory because believers come back to life.
 

Ahwatukee

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We've discussed this before. I showed you that 2Thes.2:8 tells how the beast is destroyed by the presence of Jesus. It's not difficult to understand how the presence of Jesus is like a lake of fire that destroys all wickedness.
Journeyman, your error is the translated English word "destroyed." The Greek word doesn't mean annihilation or extinction, but complete loss of well being, ruination, to be completely cut off. 2 Thess.2:8 is describing what is going to happen to the beast when Jesus returns to the earth, which is that both the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire. In regards to this, at the end of the millennial kingdom, Satan is also thrown into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night, for ever and ever. You ought to pay attention to those descriptive words, because they infer that there is no rest or intermission in regards to their torment. One would have to be existing in order to experience no rest day and night, for ever and ever.
 

Journeyman

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Below is 1 Cor.15:15

"Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?”
1Cor.15:15 says no such thing.

No where in that scripture is Paul speaking about the grave.
HE is where I cited him in 1Cor.15:55, because he's quoting the OT, which says "grave".
 

Journeyman

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Journeyman, your error is the translated English word "destroyed." The Greek word doesn't mean annihilation or extinction, but complete loss of well being, ruination, to be completely cut off.
Paul uses the same word in 1Cor.15:26 where death will no longer exist, so you're wrong.

2 Thess.2:8 is describing what is going to happen to the beast when Jesus returns to the earth, which is that both the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire..
No. Its describing the beast being destroyed by the very presence of Jesus.
 

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Its populating now in these last days . When he comes on in Spirit on the last day (a unknown) Populating will cease . In our new bodies we will like the angels in heaven . . no male or female, Jew nor gentile. No populating. No need. . books are close. and sealed . No commandment be fruitful and multiply .

Question is why would it populate ? And with what.? . The same corrupted flesh and blood which we do not wrestles against to begin with?

Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world.
But He will be in the Millennial Kingdom according to Zechariah 14.
What kind of Body does He have?
He appeared after the resurrection and said to the 12 Apostle I am flesh and bone
and then He ate fish

So does that mean he will be in the same state when He returns.
If He didn't want us to know He would not have appeared to the 12 apostles.
I believe he is in the same body today waiting to place His feet on the Mount of Olives Zech. 14
 

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His kingdom is not of this world never was never will be.

12 remnant of the all the apostles were set aside to represent all of those who have ben born again believers on this side of the 1st century reformation .This is shown in Revelation 21 .the city of Christ called "Christian", prepared named after her husband as His bride.

We are not to add new meaning to the word apostle it can change the intent of the author.

Literal tribes will not judge other literal tribes. To begin with there is no record of official geanalolgy that could lead back to the tribes that were named after certain works God preformed in giving birth to sons . The tribe of Judah is lost that way as well as others

There use as shadows is long gone and so is the need. It was fulfilled at the birth of Jesus. End of descent.

Tribes like apostles both a metaphors used in parables represent the city of Christ prepared as his bride.




That day, the last day is the day of the new heavens and earth. Not reckoned after the corrupted but rather the eternal not seen. Never after the corrupted temporal.



Same thing not in respect to the corrupted as what the eyes see, the place where the kingdoms of this corrupted creation will rise up to Zion the heavenly city prepared as His bride the church . As the spiritual house of God. . She is made up of many lively stones as a living house or temple. In that way we are the temporal temple as tents of God in the wilderness Who does works in us to both will and do his good pleasure.




Same thing not in respect to the corrupted as what the eyes see according to the imagination of ones own uncovered heart (after the imagination of their evil heart.)


Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world.
But He will be in the Millennial Kingdom according to Zechariah 14.
What kind of Body does He have?
He appeared after the resurrection and said to the 12 Apostle I am flesh and bone
and then He ate fish

So does that mean he will be in the same state when He returns.
If He didn't want us to know He would not have appeared to the 12 apostles.
I believe he is in the same body today waiting to place His feet on the Mount of Olives Zech. 14
 

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The 2nd Coming, The return of Christ begins a new era.

Who will populate the earth. and how will this happen.

Kingdom of God (SPIRITUAL) vs Kingdom of Heaven (PHYSICAL)

Throughout scripture two kingdoms: physical & spiritual are revealed.

Cain physical, Abel spiritual
Ishmael physical, Isaac spiritual (See Gal 4:22-31)
Esau physical, Jacob spiritual
Israel physical, Body of Christ/Church spiritual
Adam physical, Christ Spiritual (1 Cor 15:45)

1 Corinthians 15:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven
(NOTE: Is FROM heaven not IN heaven)

Jesus preached the Gospel of the kingdom, yet spoke about both. I found the reference to "Kingdom of Heaven" 31 times in Matt. I found reference to "Kingdom of God" 45 time in the 4 gospels.

The Kingdom of God is SPIRITUAL! Not physical:
Lk 17:21 (B) Jesus said; Behold, "the kingdom of God is within you"
(NOTE: This is a spirit promise that began in Acts 2:4. At Pentecost believers are INDWELT via the outpouring of the Holy Spirit "the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU")

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you
(NOTE: Righteous is abtained thru faith in Christ's sin atoning sacrifice & sealed by the indewlling Holy Spirit)
Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(NOTE: Born again = New spiritual birth = indewlt via the Holy Spirit)

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(NOTE: Born of water/flesh (the key here is vs 6) 1st then of spirit thru Faith. The need to be born of flesh 1st rules out salvation for fallen angels)

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: Ok the Holy Spirit is what? SPIRITUAL!)

1Cor 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
(NOTE: The Kingdom of God is NOT physical! It is in resurrection POWER)

Lk 17:21 (B) Jesus said; Behold, "the kingdom of God is within you"
(NOTE: The Kingdom of God": is SPIRITUAL: The Church/Body of Christ = Christ in you)

The Kingdom of Heaven is PHYSICAL! It is the fulfillment of Gods pomise to Abraham (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18)

The physical land covenant God makes with Abraham & Israel.

God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11)

The Gospel of the Kingdom message begins with John the Baptist Matt 3:2-6 & Mk 1:4-5

After John's arrest, Jesus himself takes up the kingdom message. Matt 4:12-17

Matt 4:23 Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, "preaching the gospel of the kingdom"

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
(NOTE: This doctrine is 100% Jewish. We don't preach this, we the death, burial & resurrection. It's the 144k that will preach this doctrine. After the Church has been raptured.)

We His Bride return with him:
Zec 14:5 On that day His feet will stand on Mt Olive. The Mt will split in 2 from east to west. Then the Lord your God will come, & """all the saints with Him."""

Jude 14,15 Jesus Returns with Ten Thousand of His Saints
Behold, """the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints""", To execute judgment upon all,

1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, """at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints""".

The 1st man Adam was given Eve, The 2nd Adam/Christ is give us to rule & reign with him.

So, during this 1000 yr time of restoration. We will be in our glorified bodies & so will the Jewish converts living at the same time.

Remember, for 40 days after Christs resurrection. In his glorified body he ate. drank & fellowshipped with his disciples, before his ascension.

The promised physical Kingdom reign of Christ could have begun had the Jewish leadership accepted God's chosen Messiah. Jewish leadership rejected Messiah & had him killed.

Gods promise of a physical King & physical Kingdom. Was only postponed & will happen at Christs soon return.

Zech 9:14 & 15, 12:10–14, 13:1, Jer 30:18, 32:44, 33:11, 26, Joel 3:1, Amos 9:11–15, Rev 20:6.

In Revelation at the end of the physical Kingdom of Heaven there is a rebellion (Rev 20:8-9) No people like these ever make it into the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God.

At Christ 2nd coming those that enter into His physical Kingdom are like us now & have the Adamic nature.

Under Christ rule the people will in peace & prosper. No war, animals will live in peace. Isa 65:25 The wolf & the lamb shall feed together & the lion shall eat straw like the bullock

Satan is bound, however, at the end of the 1000 yrs. Satan is loosed. These people get to make a choice, same as we do now.
 

rhern

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Kingdom of God (SPIRITUAL) vs Kingdom of Heaven (PHYSICAL)

Throughout scripture two kingdoms: physical & spiritual are revealed.

Cain physical, Abel spiritual
Ishmael physical, Isaac spiritual (See Gal 4:22-31)
Esau physical, Jacob spiritual
Israel physical, Body of Christ/Church spiritual
Adam physical, Christ Spiritual (1 Cor 15:45)

1 Corinthians 15:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven
(NOTE: Is FROM heaven not IN heaven)

Jesus preached the Gospel of the kingdom, yet spoke about both. I found the reference to "Kingdom of Heaven" 31 times in Matt. I found reference to "Kingdom of God" 45 time in the 4 gospels.

The Kingdom of God is SPIRITUAL! Not physical:
Lk 17:21 (B) Jesus said; Behold, "the kingdom of God is within you"
(NOTE: This is a spirit promise that began in Acts 2:4. At Pentecost believers are INDWELT via the outpouring of the Holy Spirit "the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU")

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you
(NOTE: Righteous is abtained thru faith in Christ's sin atoning sacrifice & sealed by the indewlling Holy Spirit)
Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(NOTE: Born again = New spiritual birth = indewlt via the Holy Spirit)

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(NOTE: Born of water/flesh (the key here is vs 6) 1st then of spirit thru Faith. The need to be born of flesh 1st rules out salvation for fallen angels)

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: Ok the Holy Spirit is what? SPIRITUAL!)

1Cor 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
(NOTE: The Kingdom of God is NOT physical! It is in resurrection POWER)

Lk 17:21 (B) Jesus said; Behold, "the kingdom of God is within you"
(NOTE: The Kingdom of God": is SPIRITUAL: The Church/Body of Christ = Christ in you)

The Kingdom of Heaven is PHYSICAL! It is the fulfillment of Gods pomise to Abraham (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18)

The physical land covenant God makes with Abraham & Israel.

God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11)

The Gospel of the Kingdom message begins with John the Baptist Matt 3:2-6 & Mk 1:4-5

After John's arrest, Jesus himself takes up the kingdom message. Matt 4:12-17

Matt 4:23 Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, "preaching the gospel of the kingdom"

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
(NOTE: This doctrine is 100% Jewish. We don't preach this, we the death, burial & resurrection. It's the 144k that will preach this doctrine. After the Church has been raptured.)

We His Bride return with him:
Zec 14:5 On that day His feet will stand on Mt Olive. The Mt will split in 2 from east to west. Then the Lord your God will come, & """all the saints with Him."""

Jude 14,15 Jesus Returns with Ten Thousand of His Saints
Behold, """the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints""", To execute judgment upon all,

1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, """at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints""".

The 1st man Adam was given Eve, The 2nd Adam/Christ is give us to rule & reign with him.

So, during this 1000 yr time of restoration. We will be in our glorified bodies & so will the Jewish converts living at the same time.

Remember, for 40 days after Christs resurrection. In his glorified body he ate. drank & fellowshipped with his disciples, before his ascension.

The promised physical Kingdom reign of Christ could have begun had the Jewish leadership accepted God's chosen Messiah. Jewish leadership rejected Messiah & had him killed.

Gods promise of a physical King & physical Kingdom. Was only postponed & will happen at Christs soon return.

Zech 9:14 & 15, 12:10–14, 13:1, Jer 30:18, 32:44, 33:11, 26, Joel 3:1, Amos 9:11–15, Rev 20:6.

In Revelation at the end of the physical Kingdom of Heaven there is a rebellion (Rev 20:8-9) No people like these ever make it into the SPIRITUAL Kingdom of God.

At Christ 2nd coming those that enter into His physical Kingdom are like us now & have the Adamic nature.

Under Christ rule the people will in peace & prosper. No war, animals will live in peace. Isa 65:25 The wolf & the lamb shall feed together & the lion shall eat straw like the bullock

Satan is bound, however, at the end of the 1000 yrs. Satan is loosed. These people get to make a choice, same as we do now.

Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world.
But He will be in the Millennial Kingdom according to Zechariah 14.
What kind of Body does He have?
He appeared after the resurrection and said to the 12 Apostle I am flesh and bone
and then He ate fish

So does that mean he will be in the same state when He returns.
If He didn't want us to know He would not have appeared to the 12 apostles.
I believe he is in the same body today waiting to place His feet on the Mount of Olives Zech. 14
 
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Read the context bro, that mean kingdom of heaven
“From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 4:17)

“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” (Mark 1:15)

The Kingdom of Heaven and the kingdom of God are the same thing.
 
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They suffer as the evil they've done throughout their whole life (in other words, "forever") is exposed by the fire of Christ's presence. The wicked will no longer exist after judgment.
PUNISHMENT, EVERLASTING. Matt. 13:40; 18:8; 25:41, 46; Jude 7; Rev. 1:18; 14:11; 20:10

Swanson, J., & Nave, O. (1994). New Nave’s Topical Bible.
 
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I asked you one question at the top/intro of my post.

You've not answered that one question, which was:

"TheDivineWatermark said:
Do you believe that Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 took place "at Christ's first advent" ? [plz see those verses; and note that v.21 says "the remnant WERE SLAIN" (that is, they DIE / are KILLED)]"



Rev19:19/21/*16:14-16/20:5... did this take place at/in His first advent, yes or no?

Pretty easy to answer "yes" or "no". Has it already happened? [note: *"Armageddon"]


Try not to avoid the question. ;)
Revelation 20 shows the New Covenant era starting with the binding of Satan by the gospel and culminating in the end of the world and the New Heavens and earth.
 
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As the fathers of lies or spirit of error . What is it he is bound from doing? What is the chain that binds the spirit of error and the key that secures the pit? If it is not the gospel than what? Will he send a famine for hearing the word and kill His two prophets for a time as the two witnesses of God, the law (Moses) and the prophets (Elias) and then revive them and cause a explosion like at Pentecost. Or when he comes on the last day will he find his faith working even working. . . its the end of the world we live in.
1000 years? A sketch would be;

The angel = Greek for messenger

the chain = the message (gospel); The gospel sent to the whole world.

the 1000 years = Satan bound from deceiving the elect. The saints rule over him. the 1000 years end = Satan loosed.

Note the 1000 years are not the kingdom. It is still here when the 1000 years end. Satan attacks the kingdom when they end and he is loosed.

Satan loosed = the Post Christian era (we now live in = immanent return of Christ) the gospel message falls on deaf ears, the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.

“Jesus said, “This voice has not come for my benefit but for yours. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out.” (John 12:30–31)

So in essence, Revelation 20 is a panorama of the entire New Covenant era. Not a physical kingdom of the future.
 
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You arent really discussing anything. You are just repeating your own teaching without even trying to understand the other side and to make it worse you arent even defending your own side of the argument.

You just assert it and we are supposed to swallow it. Revelation 20 says satan will no longer deceive the nations when he is bound, I see nations deceived, that means it hasnt happened. I can read history it has never occured.

Im not gonna go back and forth with you unless we get some fruit out of it.
1000 years? A sketch would be;

The angel = Greek for messenger

the chain = the message (gospel); The gospel sent to the whole world.

the 1000 years = Satan bound from deceiving the elect. The saints rule over him. the 1000 years end = Satan loosed.

Note the 1000 years are not the kingdom. It is still here when the 1000 years end. Satan attacks the kingdom when they end and he is loosed.

Satan loosed = the Post Christian era (we now live in = immanent return of Christ) the gospel message falls on deaf ears, the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.

“Jesus said, “This voice has not come for my benefit but for yours. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out.” (John 12:30–31)

So in essence, Revelation 20 is a panorama of the entire New Covenant era. Not a physical kingdom of the future.
 

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“From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 4:17)

“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” (Mark 1:15)

The Kingdom of Heaven and the kingdom of God are the same thing.
The kingdom of heaven is not 1000 years kingdom