Where in the BIBLE DOES the sole have everlasting life ???????

[posthuman]

No Adam lived 930 , so no he did not die that day,

given what Jesus says in Luke 20:38 & Mark 12:27, according to God is Adam alive right now, today? from God's perspective?

 

[posthuman]

God speaks about people whose bodies have returned to dust as being alive.

God also speaks about people whose bodies are still living as being dead.

this makes me think, we have got to get rid of this simple monistic human view of death.

 

[bud62]

then why/how does God say 'in the day you eat of it, dying you will die' ?

what happened to Woman, and to Adam, when they ate? how were their bodies affected? how were their spirits affected?
God describes it as death.
HE is just saying when you eat there of ,you are going to die . GOD is not saying that he is going to die that day .THIS would make GOD a lier ,& we know that GOD is NO lier .

 

[dcontroversal]

then why/how does God say 'in the day you eat of it, dying you will die' ?

what happened to Woman, and to Adam, when they ate? how were their bodies affected? how were their spirits affected?
God describes it as death.

Exactly.....separation........anyway

 

[bud62]

given what Jesus says in Luke 20:38 & Mark 12:27, according to God is Adam alive right now, today? from God's perspective?

TO GOD asleep With out knowledge or knowing anything. can't do anything or praise GOD . & also to me.

 

[posthuman]

TO GOD asleep With out knowledge or knowing anything. can't do anything or praise GOD . & also to me.

you agree, they are not dead according to God?
but they are in something like sleep. so they still exist, and to God, they are alive?

 

[bud62]

Bud, you should not be in the teaching mode my friend but rather student mode.

FOR you to tell me I'm not in the place to tell people is not in your hands . And I think GOD is with me & showed things That HE want's ME to tell others ,THAT will hear . NOT because I'm anything at all . GOD works in mustreast WAYS .

 

[bud62]

you agree, they are not dead according to God?
but they are in something like sleep. so they still exist, and to God, they are alive?
They haven't suffured the second death yet , But when they do , they will pay for their sins by suffuring till they are paid in full . And then they will be brote to ashes upon the ground like mal 3:3 tells us they will , AND then the righteous will tread on their ashes . This will be the second death . then they will gone like their on dung . LIKE the BIBLE says. Then they will not exist ,to GOD or man. GOD bless as HE sees fit .

 

[bud62]

1 Peter 3

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

- look closely at verse 19.

GOOD night to all ,And GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[Chris1975]

IF you look at that again ,you will see that HE was quickened .Which means that he was resurrected & then went and preached to those Who were in prison .Those that are in sin, are in prison , JESUS says , Like Peter when He denied HIM ,HE even went to him , And all the rest of them ,

No its not. Look at the next verse (verse 20) 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

These are long term prisoners. Very long term some of them.

 

[bud62]

No its not. Look at the next verse (verse 20) 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

These are long term prisoners. Very long term some of them.

IT Still says that resurrection first , If you want to chose to believe that the BIBLE ,conerdicts it's self , well I'll just say that not all right with me , I believe My K.J.V .BIBLE is a the WORD of GOD , And dosn't do that at ALL . And I can trust it ALL to be true . And I don't haft to try & chose what part is GOOD & what part is not GOOD . The BIBLE being the WORD of GOD Should line up ,like fince post , all the way through . GOD bless as HE sees fit .

No its not. Look at the next verse (verse 20) 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

These are long term prisoners. Very long term some of them.

They will be there even through the1000 years rain that ,GODs people are in heaven for the judgment for the lost . All the lost will be dead in the 1000 years , in heaven ,JER 4:22-29 , The BIBLE tells us here that there is not even going to be any sun , so no body could even live. BUT PRAISE GOD HE SAYS THAT IT WILL NOT BE A FULL END , after the 1000 years HIS city , with HIS saints in it , will come down from heaven on the EARTH . there are more for us in the old Testament then there were for Them ,I believe . GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[bud62]

no, i do not say that.
i say the both the lost and the saved have everlasting existence

existence is not the same as life. you can exist in a state of life and you can exist in a state of death. stop thinking about existing and living as though they are equivalent. Christ came so that we might have life - what does He mean by life? does he mean your flesh being born and living 60 or 120 years? did nobody ever do that before 1 AD? or did He mean so that we can exist? did no one exist before He came?

Abraham yielded the spirit, and died in a good age, an old man, and of great years, and was gathered to his people.​

(Genesis 25:8) ​

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And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred thirty and seven years, and he yielded up the spirit, and died, and was gathered unto his people.​

(Genesis 25:17)​

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If you are Existence , You have life . You made from the ground And breath of GOD . JESUS came to give us life . IF we all ready had life , He didn't need to come to give life .​

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[bud62]

To have existence ,you would haft to have life ,

 

[bud62]

no, i do not say that.
i say the both the lost and the saved have everlasting existence

existence is not the same as life. you can exist in a state of life and you can exist in a state of death. stop thinking about existing and living as though they are equivalent. Christ came so that we might have life - what does He mean by life? does he mean your flesh being born and living 60 or 120 years? did nobody ever do that before 1 AD? or did He mean so that we can exist? did no one exist before He came?

Abraham yielded the spirit, and died in a good age, an old man, and of great years, and was gathered to his people.​

(Genesis 25:8) ​

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And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred thirty and seven years, and he yielded up the spirit, and died, and was gathered unto his people.​

(Genesis 25:17)​

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GOD says the soul that sineth ,it shall die ,He didn't the house sineth , Witch our Body . HE said the Soul that sineth . This means not the body , But the soul ,witch is the real you , Not just the House .​

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[posthuman]

GOD says the soul that sineth ,it shall die ,He didn't the house sineth , Witch our Body . HE said the Soul that sineth . This means not the body , But the soul ,witch is the real you , Not just the House .

yes

but you say to die is to stop existing
i do not say that. and the Bible doesn't say that either.
before you believed Jesus, you were dead. you existed, but you were dead. not your house, your soul.

 

[posthuman]

To have existence ,you would haft to have life ,

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The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

(Revelation 20:10)​

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The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. ​

(Revelation 20:13-15)​

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Bud
these in the lake of fire are tormented forever day and night, forever and ever.
these in the second death.
they do not have life, but they continue to exist. they exist forever and ever in a state of death.

existence isn't life, and death isn't non-existence. the first death isn't non-existence, and the second death isn't non-existence.
alive or dead, whether in the body or by the spirit, we exist.

 

[bud62]

yes

but you say to die is to stop existing
i do not say that. and the Bible doesn't say that either.
before you believed Jesus, you were dead. you existed, but you were dead. not your house, your soul.

I don't know where you get we Exist with without life , I do believe you are Miss understanding , The BIBLE says that the dead DON"T know anything they have no love or hate & no memory , IT has perished , This is talking about the saved and the lost . Till they are RESURREECTION , THEY don't know anything , THIS includes PAIN & suffering . GOD DON"T LIE , I BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS , HE said it that Settle IT for me , IF you want to believe HE lies , Well I can only tell you .what you do with it, I can not Help. SOME believe , some don't
GOD bless as HE sees FIT

 

[bud62]

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The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

(Revelation 20:10)​

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The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. ​

(Revelation 20:13-15)​

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Bud
these in the lake of fire are tormented forever day and night, forever and ever.
these in the second death.
they do not have life, but they continue to exist. they exist forever and ever in a state of death.

existence isn't life, and death isn't non-existence. the first death isn't non-existence, and the second death isn't non-existence.
alive or dead, whether in the body or by the spirit, we exist.

WHAT you must be forgetting , For this world will end with the end of this world , start again when HE recreates THIS WORLD .
TIME will end . And restart , And I believe this is what the BIBLE teaches when it says for ever . GOD bless as HE sees fit . For this world that will be for ever . GOD dose not think like we do . And ever is used more then one way in the BIBLE,

 

[bud62]

The same destiny overtakes all. ​

(Ecclesiastes 9:3) ​

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the dust returns to the ground it came from,​

and the spirit returns to God who gave it.​

(Ecclesiastes 12:7) ​

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existence is eternal, because it derives from the Eternal One who created you.
whether we rise to eternal life or to eternal death -- as God defines life and death -- hinges on being found in Christ.

This is Just your thoughts and not BIBLE at ALL, and Makes GOD the liar,
GOD says ALL SOUL ARE MINE & THE SOUL THAT SINNETH IT SHALL DIE, what you are saying is WHAT Satan TOLD Eve, YOU Shall NOT surely DIE , Just with a Different word , That means the same thing ,YOU shall not surely die.
BUT here you are ,saying the same thing that Satan Did just trying to use another Word, And telling other people that same lie , That Satan did , This is not GOOD, When our thoughts make GOD A liar, We are Wrong . You are just trying to use another WORD, for NOT die, BUT it Still would make GOD A liar ,If it was SO. BUT it is not SO, Trees come from GOD also, But they die. All soul are mine says GOD, The soul that SINNETH it shall die, Notice that GOD don't say that they would have Existence , To die is to not have Existence, To die the second death is to never have Existence, EVER AGAIN, They will be ashes under the Righteous feet, FOR eternity
GOD HELP AS HE SEES FIT.

 

[bud62]

WHAT you must be forgetting , For this world will end with the end of this world , start again when HE recreates THIS WORLD .
TIME will end . And restart , And I believe this is what the BIBLE teaches when it says for ever . GOD bless as HE sees fit . For this world that will be for ever . GOD dose not think like we do . And ever is used more then one way in the BIBLE,

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This is JUST another way of saying the same thing that Satan told Eve ,IT is the way that you are looking at it ,that is wrong .What means for ever to you , DON'T mean the same thing as to GOD, When the BIBLE says THAT ALL SOULS are mine, THE SOUL that SINNETH IT SHALL DIE, When they have paid for their SINS , GOD will BRING them to ashes upon the Ground , And the righteous will tread them down ,MAL 4:1-4 GOD BLESS as HE sees FIT

The end want come till the 1000 years in Heaven , NO one alive on earth, JER 4:20-29