Why is this not being taught in Church?

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Guojing said:
Salvation is always by grace thru faith at all times I agree, but you show your faith in God by following what he commanded you to do, and that differs depending on the time period in question.
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Then there is only one gospel. Grace through faith; believe God, and believing, repenting from dead works.

There has never been two gospels, but one and the same that was preached to Abraham was also he message of rhw Messiah from the beginning and the very same one through which we are saved: all who put their trust in Him, they will not be ashamed.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I never heard of mid acts until I came here so please stop using that term it means nothing to me

Take the age of innocence. What was different about that time than today (age of grace) (not Concerning salvation)
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Its so easy to google, but if you don't even want to find out, then how do you conclude its a "a very small group of people"?

Sounds like you are sticking your head in the sand, but that is your choice.
 
posthuman said:
Then there is only one gospel. Grace through faith; believe God, and believing, repenting from dead works.

There has never been two gospels, but one and the same that was preached to Abraham was also he message of rhw Messiah from the beginning and the very same one through which we are saved: all who put their trust in Him, they will not be ashamed.
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I have said to you many times that you won't change your mind no matter how others explain, so we will leave it as that.
 
eternally-gratefull said:


I never heard of mid acts until I came here so please stop using that term it means nothing to me

Take the age of innocence. What was different about that time than today (age of grace) (not Concerning salvation)
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One thing I have noticed over the years is words are losing their value to convey thought as a law not subject to change. Confusing the languages like at the Tower of Babel.

Like the word marriage it was destroyed by the last moral representative (President) And many others like gender its all one in the same according to many .And even infiltrating the name of Jesus in some sects.

Dispensation. . . The act of dispensing or dealing out; distribution;

Yes, No such thing as a age of innocence. God works by faith purifying the hearts of all men through his word in any idea of dispensation that he distributes his grace

The same wrath of God spoken of In Romans 1:18 that continues to show all men are guilty of violating the commandment death in a body of death

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
 
Guojing said:
Its so easy to google, but if you don't even want to find out, then how do you conclude its a "a very small group of people"?

Sounds like you are sticking your head in the sand, but that is your choice.
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So then are you saying there is more than one gospel .How many?

And how small is that group ? Small enough that it will not found by searching the scriptures to see if it is so?
 
garee said:
So then are you saying there is more than one gospel .How many?

And how small is that group ? Small enough that it will not found by searching the scriptures to see if it is so?
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Gospel means "good news". There are various types of good news God gave to mankind in the OT, and finally thru Paul.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
you really hate being called out don’t you? Saying you believe in a Catholic is Ed doctrine is not saying you are catholic. I said you believe in one of their doctrines

let’s see if you can show some humility and admit you were wrong and are infact bearing false witness yourself




yet you still have not proven Jesus entered the body at conception.

do you have any proof? Or just continue with conjecture



adam was fully human at creation, he had no sin nature like Jesus he was born perfect with no sin or nature to sin

as the same

jesus was able to sin as was Adam was. Adam failed where Jesus did not

once again, if Jesus was totally unable to sinl his sacrifice is null and void.
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eternally-gratefull said:
you really hate being called out don’t you? Saying you believe in a Catholic is Ed doctrine is not saying you are catholic. I said you believe in one of their doctrines

let’s see if you can show some humility and admit you were wrong and are infact bearing false witness yourself




yet you still have not proven Jesus entered the body at conception.

do you have any proof? Or just continue with conjecture



adam was fully human at creation, he had no sin nature like Jesus he was born perfect with no sin or nature to sin

as the same

jesus was able to sin as was Adam was. Adam failed where Jesus did not

once again, if Jesus was totally unable to sinl his sacrifice is null and void.
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You are correct,I do not appreciate that you know very little and thinking to cover that fact resort to false allegations, and name calling.
The onus is yours. Your claims about Jesus not entering His body until that certain time in the womb is yours to prove.
Further, your claim that Jesus could sin speaks to the error of the denomination that you follow.
 
Guojing said:
Gospel means "good news". There are various types of good news God gave to mankind in the OT, and finally thru Paul.
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There are many types but we are concerned with one "the grace giver".

The exclusive use of the good news (gospel) is in respect to the what the Spirit that dwells in the believer reveals to them .Called grace. One gospel, one source of good news . . . from faith, the unseen eternal, to the same unseen eternal. (faith to faith)

Shown opposing the not so good new .The wrath of God ,verse 18

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1: 15_17

The not so good news to those who hold a self-righteousness of their own .

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Romans 1: 18

Like most things that God call as one. The father of lies tries to separate. (many types) We must be care how we say we hear .
 
garee said:
There are many types but we are concerned with one "the grace giver".

The exclusive use of the good news (gospel) is in respect to the what the Spirit that dwells in the believer reveals to them .Called grace. One gospel, one source of good news . . . from faith, the unseen eternal, to the same unseen eternal. (faith to faith)

Shown opposing the not so good new .The wrath of God ,verse 18

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1: 15_17

The not so good news to those who hold a self-righteousness of their own .

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Romans 1: 18

Like most things that God call as one. The father of lies tries to separate. (many types) We must be care how we say we hear .
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So you do agree that this fixation over "there can only ever be one gospel for all time" is silly, once you understand gospel means good news.

There is only one gospel of salvation NOW, that is the gospel of grace given to Paul, that I agree with everyone here.
 
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Guojing said:
Gospel means "good news". There are various types of good news God gave to mankind in the OT, and finally thru Paul.
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And in the tribulation right before the coming of the Lord called the everlasting gospel. That's the good news that Jesus is coming as Judge and King. Give glory to Him!

Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 
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Guojing said:
Its so easy to google, but if you don't even want to find out, then how do you conclude its a "a very small group of people"?

Sounds like you are sticking your head in the sand, but that is your choice.
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I been a dispensational believer and studying it in all forms for decades

Never heard of mid acts nor do I care too. Because it is not Mainstream if it was I would have heard of it
 
John146 said:
And in the tribulation right before the coming of the Lord called the everlasting gospel. That's the good news that Jesus is coming as Judge and King. Give glory to Him!

Revelation 14
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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This gospel message is not for eternal salvation.
 
Guojing said:
I have said to you many times that you won't change your mind no matter how others explain, so we will leave it as that.
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Same could be said of you

So using this tactic Is Meaningless
 
Guojing said:
Gospel means "good news". There are various types of good news God gave to mankind in the OT, and finally thru Paul.
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The gospel of salvation is context of the discussion
not all gospels concern salvation
 
rhern said:
Jesus minister of circumcision

Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Ephsians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Romans 15:
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Matthew 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


The sign nailed to the cross said "King of the Jews" Our Lord and Savior.

Zechariah 14:9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
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Is this OP suggesting that there is any spiritual profit or value whatsoever in circumcision????? I hope not.

Romans 2
2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
 
Guojing said:
From my experience in exchanging such views, one main issue that made people resist what you are saying, is because they read Galatians 1 wrongly, they assume that Paul's double curse for "preaching another gospel" will also apply to Jesus and the 12 from Matthew-Acts.

Since they reason that that can never be correct, they will infer that it must have been the SAME gospel throughout the NT.
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I see your point
 
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Guojing said:
I have said to you many times that you won't change your mind no matter how others explain, so we will leave it as that.
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This is what you say every time I challenge the idea that there are multiple Gospels. So I have, and am left with, the distinct impression that it is an indefensible belief which is not justified by scripture at all.
 
Jesus" Commandments were Just as powerful and the 10 Commandments.

There is NO excuse.

Why did Jesus Command His disciples not to go to the Gentiles

Matthew 10:5-6 King James Version (KJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the

Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
posthuman said:
This is what you say every time I challenge the idea that there are multiple Gospels. So I have, and am left with, the distinct impression that it is an indefensible belief which is not justified by scripture at all.
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One True Way and Truth

Ephesians 4
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
 
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