The Times of the Gentiles

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Dave-L

Dave-L

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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope

he gave it to issac and Jacob and his twelve sons through ALL their generations

why do you ignore these words.
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“Now the promises (covenants, agreements) were decreed and made to Abraham and his Seed (his Offspring, his Heir). He [God] does not say, And to seeds (descendants, heirs), as if referring to many persons, but, And to your Seed (your Descendant, your Heir), obviously referring to one individual, Who is [none other than] Christ (the Messiah).” Galatians 3:16 (AMP)
 
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Dave-L said:
Are you familiar with the Talmud? The "oral traditions" Jesus fought against?
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I want to talk about what God said

you want to go all over the place, they do not prove your point man

we are talki;g in the future WHEN ISREAL repents, when god takes the dead bone (dead because of things like the Talmud and total rejection of Christ) and give life to them because they have been born again.
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11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

do you know what this means? Do you understand that means a nation of people have repented, tossed their Talmud out, rejected all forms of phariseeism, and judaism, and got on their knees like the tax collector and came to Christ?

why does this thought anger you so much. Do you hate them so bad?
 
Kolistus

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Dave-L said:
“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:8–10 (KJV 1900)
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I stand corrected
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
There you go

remember a few pages back where someoneposted the word slander to you, and you said to prove where you slandered

here you just standard me,

in this post you claim I think God will give the land back to the “wicked majority” when I have never stated or even hinted that this is true

thats why you can not hear a word people say. Because you are engrained with what the Roman church has based their whole theology that you are following on, a hatred of the Jews, and demanding god is done tithe them because they are evil

,is ten, zhod is not going to give the wicked majority back their land, he is going to give the righteous believing majority who have repented and confessed their sins back their land.

from now on, don‘t ever bring this wicked majority up again, when you do you are slandering people

that is sin my friend
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He's not slandering you.

He's telling you what you are inferring with your interpretation.

You are saying that flesh Israel is who the promises belong to.

Dave-L is explaining to you that it is biblical Israel, the body of believers, who the promises belong to.


Its all explained pretty well in Galatians and Romans.
 
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Dave-L said:
“Now the promises (covenants, agreements) were decreed and made to Abraham and his Seed (his Offspring, his Heir). He [God] does not say, And to seeds (descendants, heirs), as if referring to many persons, but, And to your Seed (your Descendant, your Heir), obviously referring to one individual, Who is [none other than] Christ (the Messiah).” Galatians 3:16 (AMP)
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then why has Christ not yet assumed kingship over the land of Canaan as the Bible prophesied he will?
 
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Kolistus said:
I stand corrected
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There was a verse that related to Abraham, which I can't remember exactly where it is, where it said Abraham lifted his eyes and looked afar off.

I often wondered what he was seeing when he did this. In my mind I kind of thought maybe it was the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

But now I wonder if it was the kingdom of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grandpa said:
He's not slandering you.

He's telling you what you are inferring with your interpretation.
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i love ya bro but your wrong, he is insisting I think God will restore evil sinful Israel back into their land. When that is not the case. I have heard this lie from so. many of people like him, it is their main argument and it falls flat on its faced because it is based on a lie

You are saying that flesh Israel is who the promises belong to.

Dave-L is explaining to you that it is biblical Israel, the body of believers, who the promises belong to.


Its all explained pretty well in Galatians and Romans.
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God did not promise spirit Israel a plot of land after they were slaves for 400 years in Egypt as A gift for them and all of their generations as eternal inheritance

I am sorry bro, I can Not twist the word of God to make it say something it never said
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
Contributed years of study that freed me from false doctrines that bind many.
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So I guess all my years of study means nothing

this line of reasoning is what get you in trouble

you think your better than others,

stop puffing yourself up and start discussing the word, remarks like this do not help you, they hurt you, they come off as arrogant and proud

saul studied for years, he knew the word of a God Like the back of his hand, it took God to knock him off and make him blind to show him all his years of study did not help him one bit he was wrong,
 
Dave-L

Dave-L

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eternally-gratefull said:
I want to talk about what God said

you want to go all over the place, they do not prove your point man

we are talki;g in the future WHEN ISREAL repents, when god takes the dead bone (dead because of things like the Talmud and total rejection of Christ) and give life to them because they have been born again.
ez 37. Dry bones
11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

do you know what this means? Do you understand that means a nation of people have repented, tossed their Talmud out, rejected all forms of phariseeism, and judaism, and got on their knees like the tax collector and came to Christ?

why does this thought anger you so much. Do you hate them so bad?
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I don't hate anyone. Remember you will be judged as you judge others.
 
Dave-L

Dave-L

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eternally-gratefull said:
So I guess all my years of study means nothing

this line of reasoning is what get you in trouble

you think your better than others,

stop puffing yourself up and start discussing the word, remarks like this do not help you, they hurt you, they come off as arrogant and proud

saul studied for years, he knew the word of a God Like the back of his hand, it took God to knock him off and make him blind to show him all his years of study did not help him one bit he was wrong,
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I used to believe as you do. But know better now.
 
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Grandpa said:
There was a verse that related to Abraham, which I can't remember exactly where it is, where it said Abraham lifted his eyes and looked afar off.

I often wondered what he was seeing when he did this. In my mind I kind of thought maybe it was the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

But now I wonder if it was the kingdom of God.
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Even david looked at the kingdom, not the land and law

then,i god is the most important thing we will ever recieve but it does not mean gifts God gives us are meaningless, we should take them and use them for gods purpose

israel failed to do this and babylon and Rome were gods punishment for failing to do this.

it does not mean God will still not keep his promise and his gift,

he promised the world would see through Israel him and all come to worship him

that has not happened yet, it is either future, or God lied.
 
Dave-L

Dave-L

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eternally-gratefull said:
then why has Christ not yet assumed kingship over the land of Canaan as the Bible prophesied he will?
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He did in his resurrection, now seated on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. But only the born again can grasp this.
 
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Dave-L said:
I don't hate anyone. Remember you will be judged as you judge others.
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sorry, when you call. bation of people evil, it usually comes from hate. And if you look at history, the Roman church, who created this doctrine, surely had a hatred of Jews. (Not saying all people who agree with you hate the Jews, OT all do. They have a love for them like I do, wanting all of them to be saved, like we want all the world to be saved)

people call the us evil because they hate us, not because they are being nice,
 
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Dave-L said:
He did in his resurrection, now seated on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. But only the born again can grasp this.
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Davids throne is in jerusalem not heaven

i can not go to heaven once a year to worship Jesus as the Bible says I will be required to do. And punished if I do not go

Zechariah 14:17
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalemto worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
 
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Grandpa

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eternally-gratefull said:
God did not promise spirit Israel a plot of land after they were slaves for 400 years in Egypt as A gift for them and all of their generations as eternal inheritance

I am sorry bro, I can Not twist the word of God to make it say something it never said
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I can't argue as if I know for 100% this is the way it is. I'm just trying to put the puzzle pieces together that I KNOW about...


But for sure, you don't believe that the Land Promises are the Kingdom of God?
 
Dave-L

Dave-L

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eternally-gratefull said:
Davids throne is in jerusalem not heaven

i can not go to heaven once a year to worship Jesus as the Bible says I will be required to do. And punished if I do not go

Zechariah 14:17
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalemto worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
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We are the Temple of God in the New Covenant. We are a holy nation. And dwell in heavenly Jerusalem above. But again, only the born again can see and take part in this.
 
Dave-L

Dave-L

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eternally-gratefull said:
sorry, when you call. bation of people evil, it usually comes from hate. And if you look at history, the Roman church, who created this doctrine, surely had a hatred of Jews. (Not saying all people who agree with you hate the Jews, OT all do. They have a love for them like I do, wanting all of them to be saved, like we want all the world to be saved)

people call the us evil because they hate us, not because they are being nice,
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The whole world lies in wickedness. Let's be honest.
 
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