Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

[Dave-L]

I talk about Symbol and not Sign. You claim that in Rev 1,1 the word symbol is used. What is not.

How does scripture use the word in various places? Agabus used his belt as a symbol.

 

[CS1]

You need to prove your charges with direct quotes and not be found a liar.

just look at your comments

 

[Dave-L]

just look at your comments

This is more judgement with no substance. Remember God will judge you as you judge others.

 

[wolfwint]

How does scripture use the word in various places? Agabus used his belt as a symbol.

So, you take words out of the context, for to defend your view. You can do it. But this is for me no serious bible study. The most cults acting likewise. In Rev 1,1 is nothing to find that this word signified means symbol. Otherwise it would be written with the greek word for symbol.

 

[Dave-L]

So, you take words out of the context, for to defend your view. You can do it. But this is for me no serious bible study. The most cults acting likewise. In Rev 1,1 is nothing to find that this word signified means symbol. Otherwise it would be written with the greek word for symbol.

Scripture defines the word in how others use it.

 

[wolfwint]

It would seem symbols make up signs not seen shadows of something coming.

No symbol. no sign .Know the symbol, understand the sign.

We can see that in the time period as a parable or called a figure when there were Kings in Israel, a pagan tradition before the reformation.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8- 11

The proper prescription must be applied to show what the sign points to. The Holy Spirt who lovingly commands us to study rightly dividing as a way us seeking His approval has not left us as orphans without the tools needed to hear what the Spirit says to the churches, us.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

In case of rev 1,1 this is eisegese

 

[wolfwint]

Scripture defines the word in how others use it.

As I said even cults acting like you.

 

[CS1]

This is more judgement with no substance. Remember God will judge you as you judge others.

coming from a guy who said he hates. That is brilliant

 

[garee]

But you cant use the word Sign as word Symbol without reading in what not is.
Also not for Rev 1,1.;

Letters of the alphabet are symbols. Before God used the written tongue , pictures symbols were used to signify. . give understanding. .

Like the picture of the chaste virgin bride of Christ in Revelation 12. Again we use the signified language to find the hidden gospel meaning.

You could say a picture is like a thousand words and a thousand words represents a picture. The same with a thousand years in chapter 20's parable.

The parable below if filled with metaphors that require the prescription found in 2 Corinthians 4:18

Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

 

[Dave-L]

coming from a guy who said he hates. That is brilliant

Please don't accuse me of hatred without documentation.

 

[Dave-L]

As I said even cults acting like you.

Don't we define scripture by scripture?

 

[CS1]

Please don't accuse me of hatred without documentation.

in your post of #318 and #331.

 

[garee]

Dave-L said:


Why would I rejoice over those who hate Christ most going to hell?

To hate is to not bless. Some turn that into dislike anger, resentment. . cut off .

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.Galatians 6:10

 

[wolfwint]

Letters of the alphabet are symbols. Before God used the written tongue , pictures symbols were used to signify. . give understanding. .

Like the picture of the chaste virgin bride of Christ in Revelation 12. Again we use the signified language to find the hidden gospel meaning.

You could say a picture is like a thousand words and a thousand words represents a picture. The same with a thousand years in chapter 20's parable.

The parable below if filled with metaphors that require the prescription found in 2 Corinthians 4:18

Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Please, where is that what you have written a prove that rev.1,1 means symbol?

 

[Dave-L]

in your post of #318 and #331.

Do I hate the Jews by pointing out they hate Christ. Did they love Jesus when they framed and murdered him?

 

[wolfwint]

Don't we define scripture by scripture?

Normaly yes, but you take words out of the context and the meaning. And signified has an other meaning as the word symbol.
They are not exchangable. And reader of revealation 1 must not need another book for to know what is meant with the word signified.

 

[Dave-L]

To hate is to not bless. Some turn that into dislike anger, resentment. . cut off .

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.Galatians 6:10

Where do I not bless any?

 

[garee]

So, you take words out of the context, for to defend your view. You can do it. But this is for me no serious bible study. The most cults acting likewise. In Rev 1,1 is nothing to find that this word signified means symbol. Otherwise it would be written with the greek word for symbol.

letters of the alphabet as symbols signify the meaning.

In the beginning was the unseen word symbolized by letters. . Let there be and it appeared. . . that in what the words symbolized. And it was Good .God's invisible signature. . his sign to us.

 

[garee]

Where do I not bless any?

Sorry, It was not directed at you. I think your idea would be to bless less .

 

[garee]

Normaly yes, but you take words out of the context and the meaning. And signified has an other meaning as the word symbol.
They are not exchangable. And reader of revealation 1 must not need another book for to know what is meant with the word signified.

One thing I would offer. The word signified in Revelation 1 is not alone .The word and identifies the kind of prophecy . Inspired and defined as a parable .Using the things seen the temporal to give the unseen hidden gospel understanding.

Without parables the hidden Manna. . .Christ spoke not.

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: