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If that means the following, then, 'yes', I am part of that crowd:
24 "...whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." - Mark 11:24
"5 ...to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." - Romans 4:4-5
24 "...whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." - Mark 11:24
"5 ...to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." - Romans 4:4-5
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NO, REPENT of your SINS, and RECEIVE AND TOTALLY TRUST JESUS AS YOU LORD, which MEANS MASTER, FOR YOUR SALVATION.
Romans 10:9-10 (HCSB)
9 If you confess [a genuine CONFESSION, must be in YOUR HEART FIRST, before can say it as a confession] with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation.
Revelation 3:3 (NKJV)
3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
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No, believing is not a work that merits salvation and it's also not just another work in a series of works in a quest to receive salvation by works. Through believing, we are completely trusting in "Another's work," (Christ's finished work of redemption - Romans 3:24-28). Jesus gets all the merit. By believing I am simply receiving the gift of eternal life and not working for salvation.
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You get your biased understanding of Faith from a teacher who has a theology degree from Stanford.
Through your distorted view of the Greek and skewed view of the Vine's Dictionary, you are trying to "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith. The Greek words for "pistis" and "pisteuo" are two forms of the same word. "Pistis" is the noun form, "pisteuo" is the verb form. Nothing in the root meaning of either word carries any concept of works. If you believe in/have faith in Christ for salvation, then you are trusting in Him alone to save you. Although saving belief results in actions appropriate to the belief (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful) - the actions are NOT INHERENT in the belief. *Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I also was confused about this (just as you are now) and basically defined faith "as" obedience/works.
I get my understanding of Faith from the Greek Scriptures. I have a Strong's expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible and Pisteuo #4100 says - to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), to entrust (especially one's spiritual well being to Christ). It goes on to say, pisteuo means not just to believe, but also to be persuaded of; and hence, to place confidence in, to trust, and signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon. *So saving faith is (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ for salvation.
So you have proved absolutely nothing and it's back to the drawing board for you.
Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.
Through your distorted view of the Greek and skewed view of the Vine's Dictionary, you are trying to "shoe horn" works "into" salvation through faith. The Greek words for "pistis" and "pisteuo" are two forms of the same word. "Pistis" is the noun form, "pisteuo" is the verb form. Nothing in the root meaning of either word carries any concept of works. If you believe in/have faith in Christ for salvation, then you are trusting in Him alone to save you. Although saving belief results in actions appropriate to the belief (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful) - the actions are NOT INHERENT in the belief. *Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I also was confused about this (just as you are now) and basically defined faith "as" obedience/works.
I get my understanding of Faith from the Greek Scriptures. I have a Strong's expanded exhaustive concordance of the Bible and Pisteuo #4100 says - to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), to entrust (especially one's spiritual well being to Christ). It goes on to say, pisteuo means not just to believe, but also to be persuaded of; and hence, to place confidence in, to trust, and signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon. *So saving faith is (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ for salvation.
So you have proved absolutely nothing and it's back to the drawing board for you.
Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.
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thats not what is happening here.
We see what Judges say, and call it works gospel. because it is.
He is not talking about works which all people who are saved do out of their new nature. He is talking about works which are required. Otherwise, a person loses salvation.
He also uses faith as a "back door" to make it appear he does not teach works. by claiming if you have lost faith, you will cease from works. hence your salvation is gone.
We see what Judges say, and call it works gospel. because it is.
He is not talking about works which all people who are saved do out of their new nature. He is talking about works which are required. Otherwise, a person loses salvation.
He also uses faith as a "back door" to make it appear he does not teach works. by claiming if you have lost faith, you will cease from works. hence your salvation is gone.
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Can you or @Judges1318 show me where he stated this? I’d like to see it in context. I’m not thinking he’s a works salvation person, perhaps his wording makes it appear thus? For the record @Pisteuo is definitely a works salvationist.
Not at all. You are missing the point altogether, but this is likely willful on your part.
There is such a thing as evidence of conversion, works that show this, and a distinction between justification and sanctification.
Many people think if they have the former they don’t need the latter and all it entails in its synergistic cooperation as a result of genuine conversion. Philippians 2:12-13 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are two texts that show this. If a person claims the former but does not have the latter they have neither.
But, I’m not about to go back and forth with you over it as I’ve found you to be irrational and unreasonable and you will only continue to disagree with these plain truths and make false and baseless accusations.
I would invite you to read up on holiness, justification and sanctification, unless you already know so much you’re beyond relearning or broadening your understanding. I suspect you’re not willing and already know it all. The book “Holiness” by J C Ryle is a recommendation for you.
There is such a thing as evidence of conversion, works that show this, and a distinction between justification and sanctification.
Many people think if they have the former they don’t need the latter and all it entails in its synergistic cooperation as a result of genuine conversion. Philippians 2:12-13 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are two texts that show this. If a person claims the former but does not have the latter they have neither.
But, I’m not about to go back and forth with you over it as I’ve found you to be irrational and unreasonable and you will only continue to disagree with these plain truths and make false and baseless accusations.
I would invite you to read up on holiness, justification and sanctification, unless you already know so much you’re beyond relearning or broadening your understanding. I suspect you’re not willing and already know it all. The book “Holiness” by J C Ryle is a recommendation for you.
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