The Age of the Universe

[JamOn]

Yes "God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness" (Genesis 1:27) Us means Father, Son & Holy Spirit. The "breath" part has to do with the Holy Spirit. The Hasidic refer to this as to run and return and is a part of the cycles of life. We breathe in and we breathe out. God breaths into us and He expects us to return that to Him. Oxygen is actually produced by plants. So that is story onto itself, esp we talk about a time in history called the great oxygen event. Like the lungs in and out the heart delivers blood with oxygen to the cells. Also with light. God gives us light and we are to return that to Him. This is represented by a crown a symbol of God's life & light shining from us.

God breathed out the oxygen and all the other elements of the universe and sculpts them like a painter

 

[JamOn]

Oxygen is actually produced by plants. So that is story onto itself, esp we talk about a time in history called the great oxygen event. Like the lungs in and out the heart delivers blood with oxygen to the cells. Also with light. God gives us light and we are to return that to Him. This is represented by a crown a symbol of God's life & light shining from us.

Oxygen is a common element in the universe, Every element of earth is from the universe and is part of the universe

https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/aug/HQ_11-252_Herschel.html

 

[bojack]

Oxygen is a common element in universe, Every element of earth came from the universe and is part of the universe

https://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/aug/HQ_11-252_Herschel.html

God created the heaven and the earth first thing, first day, the beginning

 

[bojack]

Actually it is made when elextric current flows through the earth. They have witnessed this during major earthquakes. It may be possible to see all or most of the radioactive material was created when the fountains of the great deep Opened

There's an interesting observation about Polonium radiated halos in granite .. They say it is another proof of instant creation .. Of course there is opposition but still how could these halos be frozen in granite if it weren't formed out of water .. The half life of Polonium radiation to blend with background radiation is quick, about a 3 min half life , too quick to last in molten rock but would prove it was created/formed out of water .. We are told why, but not many specifics how God created the heavenly bodies on the 4th day ..

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Why does the fossil record not support creation or YEC ? That is one of the greatest proofs of YEC creation .. How old was Adam the 6th day of creation ? You can add up Adams age at death on down to Noah, to the flood, through the flood and what day they left the Ark .. Why would I need to hold up God's Word in front of the class and say ''the bible says this but it's wrong because professor godless says in this other book he dreamed up he knows better'' ..

I think you are misunderstanding. OEC's do believe in the Biblical account of creation. I do not see the evidence to contradict scripture.


It actually makes the Bible even more amazing and very hard for the secular scientist to dispute when all the evidence points to a timeless, space less, immaterial, powerful God. The fine tuning argument is equally amazing once you realize God for billions of years which is nothing to go, but for billions of years God fine tuned and guided everything in order to support life for us.

A YEC, OEC, Biologos, or Materialist all are viewing the same evidence but isnt it funny how all 4 can say the evidence supports their theory? What you dont hear is all the unverifiable presuppositions that are held in order for their theory to first even hold water.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I posted that unrelated video and asked you to look .. You claim this discussion doesn't matter but can't lay it down enough to glance at that video .. You're not alone though , I have received no comments on it so far and it is potentially one of the biggest yet simplest medical breakthroughs I've seen .. And also I assure you that I speak to you just like I do my sons or one of my team like when I coached to win .. Now give me one good lap around the field and whoever wins gets to run another lap while all the others sit and watch .. God Bless

Nope. I said it doesn't matter within soul salvation in less you are holding a materialist view. As in churches shouldn't divide over if they hold to that yes indeed God created the Heavens, Earth, Adam and Eve as the first of mankind.

What video?

I'm not against you so no need in the silly extra stuff. Just keep it discussion related.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Found your video. What of it?

 

[bojack]

Found your video. What of it?

I thought the breakthrough of possible cure for spinal cord injury and optic nerve repair is pretty earthshaking and I'd just found out about it .. I said it was unrelated to the thread . Guess it's not so impressive to others ..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There's an interesting observation about Polonium radiated halos in granite .. They say it is another proof of instant creation .. Of course there is opposition but still how could these halos be frozen in granite if it weren't formed out of water .. The half life of Polonium radiation to blend with background radiation is quick, about a 3 min half life , too quick to last in molten rock but would prove it was created/formed out of water .. We are told why, but not many specifics how God created the heavenly bodies on the 4th day ..

The fountains of the great deep opening is the cause of the flood there is evidence of massive earthquakes as the earth basically opened up and the plates were formed

Most likely most if not all of the radioactive material was created at the flood

 

[bojack]

I think you are misunderstanding. OEC's do believe in the Biblical account of creation. I do not see the evidence to contradict scripture.


It actually makes the Bible even more amazing and very hard for the secular scientist to dispute when all the evidence points to a timeless, space less, immaterial, powerful God. The fine tuning argument is equally amazing once you realize God for billions of years which is nothing to go, but for billions of years God fine tuned and guided everything in order to support life for us.

A YEC, OEC, Biologos, or Materialist all are viewing the same evidence but isnt it funny how all 4 can say the evidence supports their theory? What you dont hear is all the unverifiable presuppositions that are held in order for their theory to first even hold water.

If God created the plants on the 3rd evening/morning day and then the Sun on the 4th day, if it wasn't 24 hrs then how did the plants live for so long without photosynthesis

 

[bojack]

The fountains of the great deep opening is the cause of the flood there is evidence of massive earthquakes as the earth basically opened up and the plates were formed

Most likely most if not all of the radioactive material was created at the flood

I was talking about the first day of creation when God created the earth and/or the 2nd day formed/called the earth out water

 

[Blik]

God created the heaven and the earth first thing, first day, the beginning

God said here was something here at the beginning, but it didn't have his spirit in it. Scripture then goes on about what he did to the mass that was here to give it his "light", or in ancient Hebrew the owr. I am adding vowels. The objects that give light like sun and moon came on the third day.

 

[bojack]

God said here was something here at the beginning, but it didn't have his spirit in it. Scripture then goes on about what he did to the mass that was here to give it his "light", or in ancient Hebrew the owr. I am adding vowels. The objects that give light like sun and moon came on the third day.

God has no beginning , physical creation had a beginning and God created it.. You can read all about it Genesis chapter 1 .. Whether or not you believe it is up to you .. God Bless

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was talking about the first day of creation when God created the earth and/or the 2nd day formed/called the earth out water

i don't see it

unless God created radioactive material in the earth the moment he created the earth.

Again Science can shown how it is created.

here is a video. It is kind of slow. But is a good expanation.

 

[JamOn]

God created the heaven and the earth first thing, first day, the beginning

Yes all the elements that are the heavens and earth and few still not known to man.

 

[bojack]

i don't see it

unless God created radioactive material in the earth the moment he created the earth.

Again Science can shown how it is created.

here is a video. It is kind of slow. But is a good expanation.

I discounted the video after 25 seconds .. Billions of years ? I think not !!!

 

[JamOn]

Pure gold is a interesting element, the earth doesn’t produce it, since the invention of the atom collider gold dust was found on the walls of the collider yet it is no where near the purity of gold formed from a star supernova.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I discounted the video after 25 seconds .. Billions of years ? I think not !!!

if you heard billions of years. you heard wrong. this is a YEC theory He was probably saying what alot of scientists say, he then shows them wrong

 

[bojack]

Pure gold is a interesting element, the earth doesn’t produce it, since the invention of the atom collider gold dust was found on the walls of the collider yet it is no where near the purity of gold formed from a star supernova.

Can you imagine all the gold they may have found with todays tech , and kept quiet except when they need to sell a little ..

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I thought the breakthrough of possible cure for spinal cord injury and optic nerve repair is pretty earthshaking and I'd just found out about it .. I said it was unrelated to the thread . Guess it's not so impressive to others ..

The beauty of our continuance in understanding the world around us.