IT'S 1948! IT'S A MIRACLE!

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TheDivineWatermark

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I think that is why Ezekiel 37 (the "dry bones prophecy" concerning Israel) is SHOWN as taking place IN STAGES... it's not really till the Ezekiel 38-39 "war" takes place (which I've stated I believe takes place as a PART of the "2nd SEAL WARS" in the early part of the future trib years [FOLLOWING our Rapture]) that the 39:7 thing takes place (reflective of the Genesis 45:1[6] thing), which says, "SO [/in this way] will *I MAKE* MY HOLY NAME KNOWN in the midst of MY PEOPLE ISRAEL" [whereas presently they are still in the state of "Lo Ammi"--"NOT MY PEOPLE"])
And, to tack onto the end of my post, a point I made there ^ , brought here to elaborate and for emphasis:


Ezek39:7 - "SO [/in this way] will *I MAKE* MY HOLY NAME KNOWN in the midst of MY PEOPLE ISRAEL"


Genesis 45:1[,6] - "Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren." [<--in the second year of Joseph's seven year famine, with 5 yrs remaining, v.6]



[I've noted in past posts... when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" (Isa3:13, Lam2:3-4, etc)... Rev5:6 "STOOD [/STANDING]"]
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Paul was a broken off Jew who used himself as an example of being re-attached to Israel.
Here, it sounds as though you are identifying "the olive tree" as "Israel" (whereas Scripture says they are the "branches" not the olive tree itself).

Did you mean to suggest this?
 
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Here, it sounds as though you are identifying "the olive tree" as "Israel" (whereas Scripture says they are the "branches" not the olive tree itself).

Did you mean to suggest this?
“It is as if some of the branches from an olive tree [Israel] have been broken off. You Gentiles are like the branch of a wild olive tree that has been joined to that first tree. You now share the strength and life of the first tree.” Romans 11:17 (EXPNT)
 

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Does anyone today give much thought to the miracle that happened in 1948? Not really, because few of us remember 1948, much less what happened then. In 1948 our Heavenly Father kept His promise, given throughout the Holy Bible, and the country of Israel became a unified nation again. It was a miracle. A miracle? Why would that be considered a miracle? Well, first of all, the odds against that happening were remote, one could say almost impossible, just a few years earlier.

Before World War 11 the Jewish people were scattered around the world with small or giant populations depending upon the country you were in. The main population was in Europe however, just where our Heavenly Father had scattered them roughly 2,500 years earlier. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin (there were 12 tribes) were still in the Holy Land but the 10 northern tribes were pretty much everywhere. There was no real appetite, prior to Hitler seizing power, for them to leave the European nation they were situated in.

That all changed leading up to and during World War 11, but not many were truly aware of the plight the Jewish people were in, and those who were could do little about it. The Holocaust was in full swing, but the true cost to the Jewish people was only realized after the war ended. The late 1940's was possibly the only time in history when the Jewish people were looked upon sympathetically by the rest of the world. And was the remnant of Jews now ready to leave their European nation? Oh yeah, more than ready. All of Europe was in shreds.

Jewish people from all over the world and the European remnant that was left began migrating back to Jerusalem and Israel. Were they greeted with open arms? Of course not, but the British, who controlled Palestine, were tired of war and bankrupt. It was difficult for them to put up a convincing argument of why the Jews should not be allowed back to their ancient homeland.

The Arab nations, who had backed Hitler, were impoverished. They tried to mount a sustained war against Israel, but they fell short. The time was ripe for a miracle. On May 15, 1948 the Jewish people proclaimed, "We're back!" Throughout the late 40's and into the 50's & 60's the synagogues and churches were going crazy praising our Lord and our Father for this miracle. Today, not so much. People today look at Israel and many assume it has always been there, and that's that.

So, was it a miracle? Actually, it was Bible prophecy taking center stage, as the scattering and gathering of the Jewish children is one of the most prolific prophecies throughout the Old and New Testaments. I could give you dozens of scriptures for examples, but I dislike long posts, and this one is long enough. I do want to point out however, the scattering and gathering of the Jewish people over the millenniums completed the parable of the fig tree which our Beloved told us to learn. Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.
I was not alive in 1948 but through research I have learned a lot about the history of the Apple of God's Eye. Numbers in scripture are far more important then folks realize and they represent certain aspects of God and how He works.
The number ONE is the number that represents God, the number 9 is the number that represents Finality of Judgement or the Product of Divine Completeness, the number 4 is the number for God's Creative Works and the number 8 is the number for A New Beginning' God is simply marvelous beyond our imagination.
 

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“It is as if some of the branches from an olive tree [Israel] have been broken off. You Gentiles are like the branch of a wild olive tree that has been joined to that first tree. You now share the strength and life of the first tree.” Romans 11:17 (EXPNT)
[quoting my past posts on this]

I'm looking for a different quote by George V Wigram... but (in the meantime) in its place, I'll just post this brief portion also by him (note the phrase "God's governmental ways on earth," which is what I believe Roman's 11's "olive tree" represents):

[quoting Wigram]

"Gen. 27:29 [Isaac blessing Jacob]. Let peoples (gamnzim, pl.), serve thee and [manners or sorts of ] nations (l'ummim, pl.) bow down to thee: be lord [a mighty man] over thy brethren.

"Observe, this would not run the source of the division of people back to Shem, Ham and Japhet, so as to make the word to be equivalent to what we call the races of people, in connection with the Noahic earth, who constitute the whole human family. The subdivision here alluded to took place in the family of Isaac, type of the heir of promise, not earlier; and the heads of this subdivision are brought before us in Rom. 9 All God's ways and subdivisions are to be noted."

[also]

"f Israel is the goh'y of experience, promise, blessing on the earth; the center of all God's governmental ways on earth; but in saying that, I look at them from outside and as one whole. When they are owned as gammi, my people, their detailed state and associations within is the aspect in which they are considered."

--George V Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/heb...t-testimony-psalms-article/g-v-wigram/la61041

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[quoting that other article by Wigram]

"[re: Romans 11] In Jesus Christ, if the question be about Christian position, eternal life, or the Church considered in her essential relationship to Christ, there was neither Jew nor Gentile; the thoughts found in this chapter [Romans 11] can THERE have no place. If the question be about the cutting off of an individual for sinful conduct, little matters it whether he be Jew or Gentile; that has nothing to do with it, and on the other hand, there would be no question about grafting in again of the Jews more than of any others, and neither Jews nor others could be grafted in, if God had cut them off in such a manner. And if it were a question about a warning from the Apostle to Christians at Rome, and so to others elsewhere, as being brethren, it would be almost nonsense to say, " And thou, O Gentile, take heed!" Why, thou, O Gentile? Had not Christians, Jews by birth, as much need to take heed? Or could the Spirit of God, in such a warning, have made the distinction, and thus denied the principle of, the Church of God in which there is neither Jew nor Gentile? If the question is about a divine administration upon earth, then God can well make the distinction and develop his ways towards the one and the other; and it is plain that from the commencement of the ninth chapter the Apostle is occupied with and pointedly contrasts the Jews and the Gentiles, presenting us with the administration of the divine ways upon the earth. First declaring his attachment to Israel, he points out an election in the election for the earth, and further, that if God according to his sovereignty had chosen Israel (and such was Israel's boast), He had not renounced His sovereignty; and consequently, He could call the Gentiles if he would. Then he recalls to mind that the prophets had shown that a little remnant only, of Israel, at such an epoch, would be saved, and that a stone of stumbling would be laid in Zion."

-- Thoughts on Romans 11 and the Responsibility of the Church, Present Testimony: Volume 4 George V. Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/tho...the-church/present-testimony-volume-4/la85282

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]

[end of that post quoted]
 
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[quoting my past posts on this]

I'm looking for a different quote by George V Wigram... but (in the meantime) in its place, I'll just post this brief portion also by him (note the phrase "God's governmental ways on earth," which is what I believe Roman's 11's "olive tree" represents):

[quoting Wigram]

"Gen. 27:29 [Isaac blessing Jacob]. Let peoples (gamnzim, pl.), serve thee and [manners or sorts of ] nations (l'ummim, pl.) bow down to thee: be lord [a mighty man] over thy brethren.

"Observe, this would not run the source of the division of people back to Shem, Ham and Japhet, so as to make the word to be equivalent to what we call the races of people, in connection with the Noahic earth, who constitute the whole human family. The subdivision here alluded to took place in the family of Isaac, type of the heir of promise, not earlier; and the heads of this subdivision are brought before us in Rom. 9 All God's ways and subdivisions are to be noted."

[also]

"f Israel is the goh'y of experience, promise, blessing on the earth; the center of all God's governmental ways on earth; but in saying that, I look at them from outside and as one whole. When they are owned as gammi, my people, their detailed state and associations within is the aspect in which they are considered."

--George V Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/heb...t-testimony-psalms-article/g-v-wigram/la61041

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[quoting that other article by Wigram]

"[re: Romans 11] In Jesus Christ, if the question be about Christian position, eternal life, or the Church considered in her essential relationship to Christ, there was neither Jew nor Gentile; the thoughts found in this chapter [Romans 11] can THERE have no place. If the question be about the cutting off of an individual for sinful conduct, little matters it whether he be Jew or Gentile; that has nothing to do with it, and on the other hand, there would be no question about grafting in again of the Jews more than of any others, and neither Jews nor others could be grafted in, if God had cut them off in such a manner. And if it were a question about a warning from the Apostle to Christians at Rome, and so to others elsewhere, as being brethren, it would be almost nonsense to say, " And thou, O Gentile, take heed!" Why, thou, O Gentile? Had not Christians, Jews by birth, as much need to take heed? Or could the Spirit of God, in such a warning, have made the distinction, and thus denied the principle of, the Church of God in which there is neither Jew nor Gentile? If the question is about a divine administration upon earth, then God can well make the distinction and develop his ways towards the one and the other; and it is plain that from the commencement of the ninth chapter the Apostle is occupied with and pointedly contrasts the Jews and the Gentiles, presenting us with the administration of the divine ways upon the earth. First declaring his attachment to Israel, he points out an election in the election for the earth, and further, that if God according to his sovereignty had chosen Israel (and such was Israel's boast), He had not renounced His sovereignty; and consequently, He could call the Gentiles if he would. Then he recalls to mind that the prophets had shown that a little remnant only, of Israel, at such an epoch, would be saved, and that a stone of stumbling would be laid in Zion."

-- Thoughts on Romans 11 and the Responsibility of the Church, Present Testimony: Volume 4 George V. Wigram
http://bibletruthpublishers.com/tho...the-church/present-testimony-volume-4/la85282

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]

[end of that post quoted]
But it was from Israel the unbelievers, nation, and government God removed in AD 70 leaving only the Believers as Spiritual Israel.
 

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But it was from Israel the unbelievers, nation, and government God removed in AD 70 leaving only the Believers as Spiritual Israel.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
 
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24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
We preach to all nations (the gentiles) until the end of the world = that's when the times of the gentiles end. Technically, when Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, all Jews beyond that generation became gentiles.
 

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We preach to all nations (the gentiles) until the end of the world = that's when the times of the gentiles end. Technically, when Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, all Jews beyond that generation became gentiles.
Israel doesn't know what's going on right now anymore than we do, we can have a clue according to the Word .. God knows precisely what's going on and we have a clue if we believe the Word .. Israel is being prepared .. The End is near
 
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Israel doesn't know what's going on right now anymore than we do, we can have a clue according to the Word .. God knows precisely what's going on and we have a clue if we believe the Word .. Israel is being prepared .. The End is near
But you need to define Israel according to scripture and not according to secular sources including them.
 

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Romans 9:26 [re: Israel (whereas v.25 is about the Gentiles/as is Hos2:23b)] -

[re: Israel] "And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God."

Hosea 1:10 [bsb] -

"Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or counted. And it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons/children of the living God.’"

Hosea 2:23a [not 23b which is about the Gentiles] -

[re: Israel] "And I will sow [H2232 - zara - 'to sow, scatter seed'] her unto me in the earth [...]"


[I've listed a number of passages which are speaking of Israel's "future" that LIKEN it unto a "resurrection," but which passages refer to Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, where scattered--Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23; Daniel 12:1-4; Isaiah 26:16-21; Hosea 5:14-6:3; Romans 11:15[25]; John 6:39 (distinct from v.40); etc, etc...]
 
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Romans 9:26 [re: Israel (whereas v.25 is about the Gentiles/as is Hos2:23b)] -

[re: Israel] "And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God."

Hosea 1:10 [bsb] -

"Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or counted. And it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons/children of the living God.’"

Hosea 2:23a [not 23b which is about the Gentiles] -

[re: Israel] "And I will sow [H2232 - zara - 'to sow, scatter seed'] her unto me in the earth [...]"


[I've listed a number of passages which are speaking of Israel's "future" that LIKEN it unto a "resurrection," but which passages refer to Israel coming up out of the graveyard of nations, where scattered--Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23; Daniel 12:1-4; Isaiah 26:16-21; Hosea 5:14-6:3; Romans 11:15[25]; John 6:39 (distinct from v.40); etc...]
We are Israel fulfilling them since day one.
 

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But it was from Israel the unbelievers, nation, and government God removed in AD 70 leaving only the Believers as Spiritual Israel.
You have to see the significance of Israel becoming a nation again after 2 millennia’s.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isaiah 66:8
 
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You have to see the significance of Israel becoming a nation again after 2 millennia’s.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Isaiah 66:8
We are the holy nation. Not the unbelievers.
The Church is Israel Comparison
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Called;
1. Saints (Num. 16:3: Deut. 33:3)
2. Elect (Deut. 7:6,7; 14:2)
3. Beloved (Deut. 7:7; 4:37)
4. Called (Isa. 41:9; 43:1)
5. Church (Ps. 89:5; Mic. 2:5 (LXX)Act. 7:38; Heb. 2:12)
6. Flock (Ezek. 34; Ps. 77:20)
7. Holy Nation (Exod. 19:5,6)
8. Kingdom of Priests (Exod.19:5,6)
9. Peculiar Treasure (Exod. 19:5,6)
10. God's People (Hos. 1:9,10)
11. Holy People (Deut. 7:6)
12. People of Inheritance (Deut.4:20)
13. God's Tabernacle in Israel (Lev.26:11)
14. God walks among them (Lev. 26:12)
15. Twelve Patriarchs
16. Christ married to them (Isa.54:5;Jer.3:14;Hos.2:19;Jer.6:2; 31:32)

Called in the NT;

1. Saints (Eph. 1:1; Rom. 1:7)
2. Elect (Col. 3:12; Titus 1:1)
3. Beloved (Col.3:12; 1 Thess 1:4)
4. Called (Rom. 1:6,7; lCor.l:2)
5. Church (Eph. 1:1;Acts 20:28)
6. Flock (Luke 12:32; 1 Pet. 5:2)
7. Holy Nation (1 Pet. 2:9)
8. Kingdom of Priests (1 Pet. 2:9)
9. Peculiar Treasure (1 Pet. 2:9)
10. God's People (1 Pet. 2:10)
11. Holy People (1 Pet. 1:15,16)
12. People of Inheritance (Eph. 1:18)
13. God's Tabernacle in Church (John 1:14)
14. God walks among them (2 Cor.6:16-18)
15. Twelve Apostles
16. Christ married to them (Eph.5:22,23;2Cor.11:2)
 

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We are the holy nation. Not the unbelievers.
The Church is Israel Comparison
found on the net, no credits available.
Called;
1. Saints (Num. 16:3: Deut. 33:3)
2. Elect (Deut. 7:6,7; 14:2)
3. Beloved (Deut. 7:7; 4:37)
4. Called (Isa. 41:9; 43:1)
5. Church (Ps. 89:5; Mic. 2:5 (LXX)Act. 7:38; Heb. 2:12)
6. Flock (Ezek. 34; Ps. 77:20)
7. Holy Nation (Exod. 19:5,6)
8. Kingdom of Priests (Exod.19:5,6)
9. Peculiar Treasure (Exod. 19:5,6)
10. God's People (Hos. 1:9,10)
11. Holy People (Deut. 7:6)
12. People of Inheritance (Deut.4:20)
13. God's Tabernacle in Israel (Lev.26:11)
14. God walks among them (Lev. 26:12)
15. Twelve Patriarchs
16. Christ married to them (Isa.54:5;Jer.3:14;Hos.2:19;Jer.6:2; 31:32)

Called in the NT;

1. Saints (Eph. 1:1; Rom. 1:7)
2. Elect (Col. 3:12; Titus 1:1)
3. Beloved (Col.3:12; 1 Thess 1:4)
4. Called (Rom. 1:6,7; lCor.l:2)
5. Church (Eph. 1:1;Acts 20:28)
6. Flock (Luke 12:32; 1 Pet. 5:2)
7. Holy Nation (1 Pet. 2:9)
8. Kingdom of Priests (1 Pet. 2:9)
9. Peculiar Treasure (1 Pet. 2:9)
10. God's People (1 Pet. 2:10)
11. Holy People (1 Pet. 1:15,16)
12. People of Inheritance (Eph. 1:18)
13. God's Tabernacle in Church (John 1:14)
14. God walks among them (2 Cor.6:16-18)
15. Twelve Apostles
16. Christ married to them (Eph.5:22,23;2Cor.11:2)
Is it not an indication of God promises?
 

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"How is the Term Israel Used in the New Testament?" -

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm

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ALL 73 occurrences of the word "ISRAEL" in the NT ALL mean "ISRAEL"

Note especially (in the article at link) the entries covering: Romans 9:6, Romans 11:26, Galatians 6:16 and Ephesians 2:12... the most oft-misapplied [/-misunderstood] verses on this Subject.