Doorway of Death theology??

[JamOn]

I have a question to anybody about the theology of death is but a doorway - aka doorway of death. anyone heard of this?

I’ve learned just recently about the death is but a doorway theology. I don’t know how long this concept has been around but from what I’ve heard it is being joyful Bolstering at times when people are dying accept death with a joyful attitude.

I know what the Bible says about the flesh it’s not much but I am just learning about this teaching that seems is out there in the world.

 

[bud62]

I have a question to anybody about the theology of death is but a doorway - aka doorway of death. anyone heard of this?

I’ve learned just recently about the death is but a doorway theology. I don’t know how long this concept has been around but from what I’ve heard it is being joyful Bolstering at times when people are dying accept death with a joyful attitude.

I know what the Bible says about the flesh it’s not much but I am just learning about this teaching that seems is out there in the world.

Ecclesiastes 9: 5-6 The BIBLE tells us that the dead dose not know anything, Their love & hate & memory has perish, SO it is not a DOOR way, BUT to GO back into the DUST. DUST thou art and unto DUST thou shalt return. GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[Whispered]

Maybe what is being said is that when we die it isn't over and death isn't something to be feared. Rather, our passing from this world is eternity on the other side. Like unto a doorway, when we open a door we go from one place to another through that passage/portal.
This might help us make sense of what we've recently read here as pertains to a doorway of death.
Death: The Door to Eternity (Luke 16:19-31)
Also as noted in a different thread, Pastor John Piper, featured in the video above, is a five point Calvinist. Just to help put his teaching on death and doorways into perspective .

 

[JamOn]

Maybe what is being said is that when we die it isn't over and death isn't something to be feared. Rather, our passing from this world is eternity on the other side. Like unto a doorway, when we open a door we go from one place to another through that passage/portal.
This might help us make sense of what we've recently read here as pertains to a doorway of death.
Death: The Door to Eternity (Luke 16:19-31)
Also as noted in a different thread, Pastor John Piper, featured in the video above, is a five point Calvinist. Just to help put his teaching on death and doorways into perspective .

Thanks for posting I can understand the passage from physical to the Eternal state, but in my heart when someone dies it’s tears for loss of life I know yes moving on. but being next to someone dying and having joy in my heart not sure I could do, that video isn’t the only one or teachings on it. It seems that theology is practiced can’t help to think about something similar people doing flips in church but jumping for joy in a hospital from the get go.

The topic of the joy when someone dies makes me think of when Jesus died on the cross was God joyful at that time.

too love someone for being in my life and they move on it would hurt, so there is that I get not to fear death but to show joy in times of loss like what seems to be that pastor who ever his is saying pretty much jumping for joy and the whole theology.

I read a passages in revelation 12 below that may or may not have meaning on the subject of doorway of death but it’s something about life and death.

But in times of loss even in the physical is something, for Jesus wept knowing he could raise Lazarus. if a person is dying and joyful that might be a time to be joyful with them if they are crying a time to cry with them, tears for loss and joyful for life might be as well I can see how a mix of emotions at the same time can happen I guess it would be in the moment type reaction. but to be joyful of someone’s death alone is that right

rev12
11They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.

 

[JamOn]

Ecclesiastes 9: 5-6 The BIBLE tells us that the dead dose not know anything, Their love & hate & memory has perish, SO it is not a DOOR way, BUT to GO back into the DUST. DUST thou art and unto DUST thou shalt return. GOD bless as HE sees fit

Even that seems of sorrow a love one in a comatose state and their love has perished

 

[Whispered]

I've experienced the loss of loved ones through the Hospice program. And while it was a blessing to not have to worry about their passing when visiting hours were not available in some hospital, having them die at home much preferred, it still breaks your heart. Yes, they're gone now. You'll never see their eyes gaze at you again with love. Hear their voice, which eventually you'll forget how it sounded unless you have video reminders. Or as a friend of mine did, save their phone answering machine message so as to call it once in awhile just to hear them speak again.

We celebrate life coming into the world and weep when life departs. I think because though we have faith they are going to a better place, we realize they're going without us, and at the same time, we hope our faith and their destination are all true. "I'll see you again...." , are words that comfort those left behind and yet, shall we? Maybe the very real in the moment loss as we watch our loved one leave their life right before our eyes , that matter of fact, is stronger than a matter of faith they're waiting for us somewhere.

"It's a mystery." , just doesn't do it when , it was a life I cherished as they shared my own, is over with.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I’ve learned just recently about the death is but a doorway theology. I don’t know how long this concept has been around...

It is not a *theology* but a Bible truth that has been around since the time of Job (or even earlier). For Christians (children of God) physical death is the doorway to Heaven. However, for the unsaved it is the doorway to Hades.

Please be aware that the cultists will promote the false doctrine of Soul Sleep, but that is not the truth. For Christians, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord in Heaven. And no one is sleeping in Heaven.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Ecclesiastes 9: 5-6 The BIBLE tells us that the dead dose not know anything, Their love & hate & memory has perish, SO it is not a DOOR way, BUT to GO back into the DUST. DUST thou art and unto DUST thou shalt return. GOD bless as HE sees fit

You are not paying any attention to what has been posted about the afterlife. Chances are you will continue to hold on to your false beliefs no matter what. Which is unfortunate.

 

[JamOn]

It is not a *theology* but a Bible truth that has been around since the time of Job (or even earlier). For Christians (children of God) physical death is the doorway to Heaven. However, for the unsaved it is the doorway to Hades.

Please be aware that the cultists will promote the false doctrine of Soul Sleep, but that is not the truth. For Christians, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord in Heaven. And no one is sleeping in Heaven.

So if someone is dying of cancer in a lot pain you can be joyful? When the cards are stacked who really knows who is saved and who is not?

 

[JamOn]

Of your selves but of others who knows where they are going

 

[bud62]

It is not a *theology* but a Bible truth that has been around since the time of Job (or even earlier). For Christians (children of God) physical death is the doorway to Heaven. However, for the unsaved it is the doorway to Hades.

Please be aware that the cultists will promote the false doctrine of Soul Sleep, but that is not the truth. For Christians, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord in Heaven. And no one is sleeping in Heaven.

JOB is telling us where he will sleep And that is in the DUST, JOB 7:21 And why dost thou not pardon my transgression and take away miner iniquity? for now shell I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be. GOD bless as HE sees fiot

 

[Nehemiah6]

So if someone is dying of cancer in a lot pain you can be joyful?

ABSOLUTELY. Provided that person is in Christ.

When the cards are stacked who really knows who is saved and who is not?

Every genuine believer knows that they are saved, because of the witness of the indwelling Holy Spirit. So that statement is invalid.

 

[Nehemiah6]

JOB is telling us where he will sleep And that is in the DUST, JOB 7:21 And why dost thou not pardon my transgression and take away miner iniquity? for now shell I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be. GOD bless as HE sees fiot

What Job was saying is that his body -- his corpse -- would *sleep* in the dust. But that would apply to the body. What about his soul and spirit? They would be in Sheol/Hades until his resurrection. And he was confident that he would see God.

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. (Job 19:25-27)

All the OT saints went to Sheol/Hades before the resurrection of Christ, and Job was there along with Abraham in "Abraham's Bosom" (the region of the righteous dead). And they all will be resurrection along with the NT saints at the Resurrection/Rapture. But they are all presently in Heaven, not sleeping in the dust.

 

[JamOn]

JOB is telling us where he will sleep And that is in the DUST, JOB 7:21 And why dost thou not pardon my transgression and take away miner iniquity? for now shell I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be. GOD bless as HE sees fiot

Thanks I looked into job 3 and it seems sleep is death the physical body still and the places are either Or and another the unborn child or the stillborn in verse 16 who knows that?

13For now I would be lying down in peace; I would be asleep and at rest

14with kings and counselors of the earth, who built for themselves cities now in ruins,

15or with princes who had gold, who filled their houses with silver.

16Or why was I not hidden like a stillborn child, like an infant who never sees daylight?

17There the wicked cease from raging, and there the weary find rest.

18The captives enjoy their ease; they do not hear the voice of the oppressor.

19Both small and great are there, and the slave is freed from his master.

18 says captives enjoy their ease that can’t be asleep without not knowing

 

[bud62]

Matthews 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven
22 Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out Devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works,
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you depart from me that work and equity.
These PEOPLE thought they where saved, BUT they was NOT.
GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[JamOn]

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ABSOLUTELY. Provided that person is in Christ.
Every genuine believer knows that they are saved, because of the witness of the indwelling Holy Spirit. So that statement is invalid.

Which statement is invalid do you know if I am saved? if i have not said what my heart believes?

 

[JamOn]

Matthews 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven
22 Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out Devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works,
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you depart from me that work and equity.
These PEOPLE thought they where saved, BUT they was NOT.
GOD bless as HE sees fit

What’s this on?

we were talking about what is sleep, just curious do you believe everyone sleeps until the resurrection?

 

[Nehemiah6]

[ Which statement is invalid do you know if I am saved?

Here is your statement which is invalid: "When the cards are stacked who really knows who is saved and who is not?"

God knows and the saved person knows, and that is all that matters.

 

[JamOn]

Here is your statement which is invalid: "When the cards are stacked who really knows who is saved and who is not?"

God knows and the saved person knows, and that is all that matters.

Yes I agree with that, but nonetheless people do stand over people dying do that, that’s what I was gettin at making it a theme to do when people die it seems. I don’t know maybe it is not a topic to mention.

 

[Aerials1978]

I had a little difficulty understanding him. Maybe it was the strange facial expressions or hand jesters that distracted me.