Oneness or trinity, Is Jesus God or man?

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jb said:
The "glory" that "He emptied Himself of," what is your understanding these are, especially in the light of such Scriptures as Luke 2v40,52, Rom 1v3,4, 8v3, Heb 2v17,18, 4v15.

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i realized that it isn't necessarily a long post to write at all -- God was manifest in the flesh; all His fullness dwelt bodily in the man Jesus, the Christ. an human body has a brain.

the mind is not the brain. a mind is not a physical property. consciousness is not a physical property. the brain & heart are mechanisms through which the person interfaces with the rest of the body it dwells in.

as i see it this fact answers all the implicit objections the passages you brought up are used to support.
 
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posthuman said:
so you've with these comments disproven modalism, and by showing Jesus is The Savior you have also proven that Christ is God.
all you have to do now is show the Spirit of God is God and you have yourself proven the trinity :D
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Act 5:31 KJV Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
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posthuman said:
John 1:1 literally says, 'God was the Word'
and the Word became flesh - God Himself inhabited the body He prepared and pitched His tent among us. imagine what it would be like for God, who does not change, to make Himself a man? would He speak as a man? would He speak as God? maybe both. looking forward to reading the rest of John! :D this amazing concept is what you might call, without controversy a great mystery!
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Inhabited- do you mean he can go in and out?
God evem the Father does not change.
Whem the Word became flesh...
This means what was once before is not.
 
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Hey.. I wrote some stuff but.. form the start and then at the end I read "were talking about a GOD". The only God. And a book (His word) thats JUST enough for what we need here. Yeah.. I'm thinking there is ALLOT that is not being said here.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.". "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." I like the " which is in heaven".

We really need to get past the fact we do not can not understand this. Not yet. I don't know why we think Christ can not talk as if it is the Father doing all the talking. Wait.. thats exactly what happen. Everything Christ said here was ONLY what the Father said. God is a spirit. This is not "See me and my wife? Were one". No.. Christ and the Father and Holy spirit are one yet 3. God has a throne and Christ has one. The woman that asked for her kids to sit on His right and left. "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father"

I see Christ.. I see the Father and I .. a .. see? The sweet holy Spirit. I also see everything that is was made by Him.. Christ. I see the word is God. I never try to think I understand this. For me its foolish. I can only see through flesh. I can't wait to be home and then I will see and understand.
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Bummer! You won't be able to update us then. :p
Good post. :)
I think if we read the Bible enough we see that there are verses that sustain Oneness, and Trinity. Personally, I'm at a point in my studies wherein I think the councils that gathered over a period of 1500 years and decided on what would constitute the canon of scripture are responsible. They got together and one group unrelated to the other decided this, then the other council decided that. And all the while at the end someone among them must have said, OK, now we're done. This will keep future generations squabbling for generations to come. Well done brothers!
And they were right.
Then Denominations started fragmenting from the Ekklesia and this is where we're at today.
 
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posthuman said:
i realized that it isn't necessarily a long post to write at all -- God was manifest in the flesh; all His fullness dwelt bodily in the man Jesus, the Christ. an human body has a brain.

the mind is not the brain. a mind is not a physical property. consciousness is not a physical property. the brain & heart are mechanisms through which the person interfaces with the rest of the body it dwells in.

as i see it this fact answers all the implicit objections the passages you brought up are used to support.
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Fullness of godhead..dwell BODILY...
 
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watcher2013 said:
Read titus 1...you can see who titus cosnider God and who he consider lord,
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Titus 1:3 God our Saviour
Titus 1:4 Christ our Saviour
Isaiah 43:11, Hosea 13:4 the LORD is the only Saviour

you prove it again and again, Christ is God :D
 
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watcher2013 said:
Also in the OT it was said the Lord God is one.
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congratulations, now show the Spirit is God, and you have proven the trinity!
you disproved modalism. you proved Christ is God. one more step, you can do it man! just look :)
 
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Whispered said:
Bummer! You won't be able to update us then. :p
Good post. :)
I think if we read the Bible enough we see that there are verses that sustain Oneness, and Trinity. Personally, I'm at a point in my studies wherein I think the councils that gathered over a period of 1500 years and decided on what would constitute the canon of scripture are responsible. They got together and one group unrelated to the other decided this, then the other council decided that. And all the while at the end someone among them must have said, OK, now we're done. This will keep future generations squabbling for generations to come. Well done brothers!
And they were right.
Then Denominations started fragmenting from the Ekklesia and this is where we're at today.
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there were heresies and dissensions from the beginning; divisions are not 'the fault of affirming a canon' and choosing for yourself a more palatable canon isn't the answer, nor, as you point out, could it possibly have been the motive for the canon or the fact of God being manifest in the flesh wouldn't remain, without controversy, such a great mystery.

the doctrine of the trinity does not contradict that God is one, that there is only one God. that's why it's called 'trinity' ((or as i think is much more apt, 'tri-unity')) and it's not called polytheism. polytheism is an accusation non-trinitarians make which demonstrates an ignorance of the most basic definitions of the trinity.

pay attention to what @watcher2013 has posted; he has debunked modalism and proven that Christ is God many times over ;)
 
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posthuman said:
Titus 3:4 -- God our Saviour
Titus 3:6 -- Christ our Saviour
Isaiah, Hosea -- only one Saviour, no other: the LORD our Saviour
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Tit 1:4 KJV To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
 
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posthuman said:
congratulations, now show the Spirit is God, and you have proven the trinity!
you disproved modalism. you proved Christ is God. one more step, you can do it man! just look :)
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Can you show the spirit is God?
 
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posthuman said:
no, it does not mean scripture is contradicted.

it means He is never not God.
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No. It does not contradict the scriptures..it always is. God even the Father does not change..
He is the immortal, invisible, all knowing.
Maybe it contradict your understanding but not the scriptures.
 
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posthuman said:
Isaiah, Hosea -- there is no other Saviour but the LORD :D
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In the eyes of moses...God is the Saviour...in the OT...
In the new testament
GOD(father) made Christ prince and Saviour.
 
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watcher2013 said:
Can you show the spirit is God?
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The Epistle to the Ephesians chapter 4
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The Book of Genesis chapter 1:2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
 
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