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EleventhHour

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You may be right, but the fact is, that almost all people inhale it. Thats what we expierience in the hospitals.
Perhaps in hospitals where there is a lot of coughing, however in the world it is being transmitted via contaminated surfaces.
 

wolfwint

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Perhaps in hospitals where there is a lot of coughing, however in the world it is being transmitted via contaminated surfaces.
In a crowden Bus it is not the surface. Before you have a contaminated suface you have to cough on it. Why do you think it is said that people should have a distance between 1.50- 2.00 meters. Surfaces can of course transmit the virus. But this is not the main highway how it enter our body. The main highway is our breathsystem through our nose.
 
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From an article:
"Silver ions perform their deadly work by punching holes in bacterial membranes and wreaking havoc once inside. They bind to essential cell components like DNA, preventing the bacteria from performing even their most basic functions.

But silver's "zombie effect" has gone unrecognized—until now. To uncover this grisly mechanism, scientists first killed a sample of the bacterium Pseudomonas aeruginosa using a solution of silver nitrate. Then, they carefully separated the dead bacteria from the silver solution. When they exposed living bacteria to the dead, they witnessed a microscopic massacre: Up to 99.99% of the living bacteria met their doom.
 

wolfwint

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From an article:
"Silver ions perform their deadly work by punching holes in bacterial membranes and wreaking havoc once inside. They bind to essential cell components like DNA, preventing the bacteria from performing even their most basic functions.

But silver's "zombie effect" has gone unrecognized—until now. To uncover this grisly mechanism, scientists first killed a sample of the bacterium Pseudomonas aeruginosa using a solution of silver nitrate. Then, they carefully separated the dead bacteria from the silver solution. When they exposed living bacteria to the dead, they witnessed a microscopic massacre: Up to 99.99% of the living bacteria met their doom.
Thats fine for the fight the bacteria, but not for to fight the virus.
 

Angela53510

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I hope it will happen quickly for sure, and yes let us pray for this is tragic for sure for so many reasons. So much of this could have been averted that is the most frustrating part.

Anyway, from what I am being told the demand is still above the availability and it will take several months before production is up to speed, the way this virus travels and particularly some (not all) young people not being responsible that is not a good scenario for places like California, New York and Florida.

A family member who is a doctor, lives in Dallas who is a radio-oncologist, has been told that he will stop seeing his regular cancer patients and will be dealing only with virus patients on the front line exclusively because they know what is coming shortly.
Medical supplies are limited... this is a tragedy for our front line workers who put their lives on the line.

People just do not realize the complexity of this whole situation. And while people keep stating it only affects the vulnerable as though to say "why should I care" both sadden and infuriates me.
It also insults me when people say this, since I have 7 risk factors, including being immunocompromised.

The last person who said this to me was my second son. He said my mother and I should not be cared for, and be allowed to die. Thanks for nothing!

Fortunately his wife is a doctor, and let him have it. He listens to too many podcasts by internet conspiracy weirdos.
 
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EleventhHour

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It also insults me when people say this, since I have 7 risk factors, including being immunocompromised.

The last person who said this to me was my second son. He said my mother and I should not be cared for, and be allowed to die. Thanks for nothing!

Fortunately his wife is a doctor, and let him have it. He listens to too many podcasts by internet conspiracy weirdos.
Not good at all.

Do you know Chuck Baldwin, have you ever heard of him, back in the day he had a congregations in Florida... he was high profile in the USA for a long while?
 

Angela53510

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Not good at all.

Do you know Chuck Baldwin, have you ever heard of him, back in the day he had a congregations in Florida... he was high profile in the USA for a long while?
No, I have not heard of him. But then I am in Canada, don't hear some things, which can be a good thing, or a bad thing!
 
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EleventhHour

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No, I have not heard of him. But then I am in Canada, don't hear some things, which can be a good thing, or a bad thing!
I am Canadian too ... lol
I was banned from his Facebook group.

He pretty much had the same line and I challenged him about not protecting the vulnerable of society, anyway I was a little surprised a Pastor who so strong about civil liberties shut out my voice.

Too bad this pandemic is also quite polarizing as well.
 

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Delingpole: Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005
The world economy is collapsing because of the terror and mounting death toll caused by the Coronavirus pandemic. But the anti-malarial drug chloroquine is effective both as a prophylactic and treatment for the virus – and the medical establishment has known about this since at least the SARS coronavirus outbreak in 2005. What the hell is going on?
Yesterday, I reported the existence of three studies, all claiming that chloroquine phosphate had proved effective in treating the COVID-19.


This has since been confirmed by a more recent open-label non-randomised clinical trial in France by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D et al, completed just days ago. The sample was small but the results were convincing.
As the summary reports:
100% of patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.
In addition, recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are effective antiviral therapeutic treatments for novel coronavirus.But the story gets more extraordinary still. It turns out that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has known since at least 2005 that chloroquine is effective against coronaviruses.In 2005, Martin J Vincent et al published a study in Virology Journal titled ‘Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.’Here are its findings:
Background
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.
Results
We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.
Conclusion
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.​
It ought to be no surprise that chloroquine is effective against both SARS and COVID-19. After all, they are both coronaviruses and COVID-19 has often been described in medical and research sources as SARS-2.
Chloroquine works by enabling the body’s cells better to absorb zinc, which is key in preventing viral RNA transcription – and disrupting the often fatal cytokine storm.
As at least one person has noticed, the implications of this are enormous. If the medical establishment – including CDC – has been aware of the efficacy of chloroquine in treating coronavirus for at least 14 years, why has it not been mass produced and made available sooner?


Given that CDC knows that Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for COVID-19 and a prophylactic against infection.

There are grounds for everyone that has suffered and the families of those who have died for a Class Action Law suit against the CDC.


Here, you might have imagined, is the dream solution: a stop gap treatment for coronavirus which could save many lives and obviate the need for this global lockdown which is destroying our economies.​
Why isn’t the solution being shouted from the rooftops?
One possibility, as I suggested yesterday, is that there is no money in it for Big Pharma. Chloroquine is a generic drug. That’s why Big Pharma’s lobbyists have worked hard to persuade governments that there can be no acceptable solution till a patented vaccine is brought on to the market. Even if this happens it won’t be till long after the pandemic is over – probably not till at least next year.
I don’t think our businesses, our livelihoods, our sanity can wait that long. Do you?
 
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EleventhHour

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Delingpole: Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005
The world economy is collapsing because of the terror and mounting death toll caused by the Coronavirus pandemic. But the anti-malarial drug chloroquine is effective both as a prophylactic and treatment for the virus – and the medical establishment has known about this since at least the SARS coronavirus outbreak in 2005. What the hell is going on?
Yesterday, I reported the existence of three studies, all claiming that chloroquine phosphate had proved effective in treating the COVID-19.


This has since been confirmed by a more recent open-label non-randomised clinical trial in France by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D et al, completed just days ago. The sample was small but the results were convincing.
As the summary reports:
100% of patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.
In addition, recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are effective antiviral therapeutic treatments for novel coronavirus.But the story gets more extraordinary still. It turns out that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has known since at least 2005 that chloroquine is effective against coronaviruses.In 2005, Martin J Vincent et al published a study in Virology Journal titled ‘Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.’Here are its findings:
Background
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.​
Results
We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.​
Conclusion
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.​
It ought to be no surprise that chloroquine is effective against both SARS and COVID-19. After all, they are both coronaviruses and COVID-19 has often been described in medical and research sources as SARS-2.
Chloroquine works by enabling the body’s cells better to absorb zinc, which is key in preventing viral RNA transcription – and disrupting the often fatal cytokine storm.
As at least one person has noticed, the implications of this are enormous. If the medical establishment – including CDC – has been aware of the efficacy of chloroquine in treating coronavirus for at least 14 years, why has it not been mass produced and made available sooner?
Given that CDC knows that Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for COVID-19 and a prophylactic against infection.​
There are grounds for everyone that has suffered and the families of those who have died for a Class Action Law suit against the CDC.​
Here, you might have imagined, is the dream solution: a stop gap treatment for coronavirus which could save many lives and obviate the need for this global lockdown which is destroying our economies.​
Why isn’t the solution being shouted from the rooftops?
One possibility, as I suggested yesterday, is that there is no money in it for Big Pharma. Chloroquine is a generic drug. That’s why Big Pharma’s lobbyists have worked hard to persuade governments that there can be no acceptable solution till a patented vaccine is brought on to the market. Even if this happens it won’t be till long after the pandemic is over – probably not till at least next year.
I don’t think our businesses, our livelihoods, our sanity can wait that long. Do you?
It is impossible to trust anything that is not peer reviewed and not in an established journal.

2005 it was SARS-CoV
Presently we have SARS-CoV-2

While both are SARS viruses not the same.

And there is also how much is available .. so even if we now it works it will take at least one month to get the necessary production in place.
 

Angela53510

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#53
Delingpole: Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005
The world economy is collapsing because of the terror and mounting death toll caused by the Coronavirus pandemic. But the anti-malarial drug chloroquine is effective both as a prophylactic and treatment for the virus – and the medical establishment has known about this since at least the SARS coronavirus outbreak in 2005. What the hell is going on?
Yesterday, I reported the existence of three studies, all claiming that chloroquine phosphate had proved effective in treating the COVID-19.


This has since been confirmed by a more recent open-label non-randomised clinical trial in France by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D et al, completed just days ago. The sample was small but the results were convincing.
As the summary reports:
100% of patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.
In addition, recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are effective antiviral therapeutic treatments for novel coronavirus.But the story gets more extraordinary still. It turns out that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has known since at least 2005 that chloroquine is effective against coronaviruses.In 2005, Martin J Vincent et al published a study in Virology Journal titled ‘Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.’Here are its findings:
Background
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.​
Results
We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.​
Conclusion
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.​
It ought to be no surprise that chloroquine is effective against both SARS and COVID-19. After all, they are both coronaviruses and COVID-19 has often been described in medical and research sources as SARS-2.
Chloroquine works by enabling the body’s cells better to absorb zinc, which is key in preventing viral RNA transcription – and disrupting the often fatal cytokine storm.
As at least one person has noticed, the implications of this are enormous. If the medical establishment – including CDC – has been aware of the efficacy of chloroquine in treating coronavirus for at least 14 years, why has it not been mass produced and made available sooner?
Given that CDC knows that Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for COVID-19 and a prophylactic against infection.​
There are grounds for everyone that has suffered and the families of those who have died for a Class Action Law suit against the CDC.​
Here, you might have imagined, is the dream solution: a stop gap treatment for coronavirus which could save many lives and obviate the need for this global lockdown which is destroying our economies.​
Why isn’t the solution being shouted from the rooftops?
One possibility, as I suggested yesterday, is that there is no money in it for Big Pharma. Chloroquine is a generic drug. That’s why Big Pharma’s lobbyists have worked hard to persuade governments that there can be no acceptable solution till a patented vaccine is brought on to the market. Even if this happens it won’t be till long after the pandemic is over – probably not till at least next year.
I don’t think our businesses, our livelihoods, our sanity can wait that long. Do you?
I've been posting this for 2 weeks, since I first heard about it. I also have this drug and I will use it if I get symptoms.

By the way, chloroquine next or Quinine, is much more toxic than Hydroxychloroquine or Plaquenil. I would advise not taking the Quinine.

And they are ramping up production of Plaquenil in factories everywhere. But we still don't have double blind studies to show that it really works,
 

wolfwint

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#54
Delingpole: Chloroquine Known as Effective Against Coronavirus Since 2005
The world economy is collapsing because of the terror and mounting death toll caused by the Coronavirus pandemic. But the anti-malarial drug chloroquine is effective both as a prophylactic and treatment for the virus – and the medical establishment has known about this since at least the SARS coronavirus outbreak in 2005. What the hell is going on?
Yesterday, I reported the existence of three studies, all claiming that chloroquine phosphate had proved effective in treating the COVID-19.


This has since been confirmed by a more recent open-label non-randomised clinical trial in France by Didier Raoult M.D/Ph.D et al, completed just days ago. The sample was small but the results were convincing.
As the summary reports:
100% of patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.
In addition, recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are effective antiviral therapeutic treatments for novel coronavirus.But the story gets more extraordinary still. It turns out that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has known since at least 2005 that chloroquine is effective against coronaviruses.In 2005, Martin J Vincent et al published a study in Virology Journal titled ‘Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.’Here are its findings:
Background
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.
Results
We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.
Conclusion
Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.​
It ought to be no surprise that chloroquine is effective against both SARS and COVID-19. After all, they are both coronaviruses and COVID-19 has often been described in medical and research sources as SARS-2.
Chloroquine works by enabling the body’s cells better to absorb zinc, which is key in preventing viral RNA transcription – and disrupting the often fatal cytokine storm.
As at least one person has noticed, the implications of this are enormous. If the medical establishment – including CDC – has been aware of the efficacy of chloroquine in treating coronavirus for at least 14 years, why has it not been mass produced and made available sooner?


Given that CDC knows that Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for COVID-19 and a prophylactic against infection.

There are grounds for everyone that has suffered and the families of those who have died for a Class Action Law suit against the CDC.


Here, you might have imagined, is the dream solution: a stop gap treatment for coronavirus which could save many lives and obviate the need for this global lockdown which is destroying our economies.​
Why isn’t the solution being shouted from the rooftops?
One possibility, as I suggested yesterday, is that there is no money in it for Big Pharma. Chloroquine is a generic drug. That’s why Big Pharma’s lobbyists have worked hard to persuade governments that there can be no acceptable solution till a patented vaccine is brought on to the market. Even if this happens it won’t be till long after the pandemic is over – probably not till at least next year.
I don’t think our businesses, our livelihoods, our sanity can wait that long. Do you?
Well, a good result in the cell culture guarantees not that it works also in the body in the same effectivity.
 
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Michael29

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What do you mean to say?
Hello everyone. I hope everyone is having a good day and staying positive.

During the 10 plagues in Exodus, the Israelites examined each and every plague and the elders would sit and teach them about what God was trying to teach through each in every plague. For the short understanding, why would an all Powerful God need 10 plagues to get the job done if He could do it in one shoot? Therefore there is great meaning to be discovered behind each "step". God is "measure for measure", meaning He gives us exactly what we want. If we desire to draw close Him, He will surely open the gates and if we want to gain power, He will also give it to us (so that we will fall and learn). Therefore, each plague is to teach us something.

Now, forget all the media, news, medicines etc, for we are told to fear God and nothing else, not even men. The Satan or Evil Inclination seeks like a Lion to devour our attention and our focus, when right now is the most critical time to study and learn God's ways, especially through this plague.

(Psalm 91:5-7 "You shall not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that walks in gloom, nor the destroyer who lays waste at noon. A thousand may fall victim at your side and a myriad at your right hand, but to you it shall not approach...)

So what is God doing?

Does a human father ever give a time out to the wrong child? Therefore God has made chosen all of us to have a "time out". A time out to reflect on our misdeeds, especially on how we tend to slander others behind their backs, that our speech is not holy but secular, that our eyes are gazing at things they should not and that we are quick to judge each other when we come together. If this were not so, then the plague would not cause for isolation and quarantine, it might be a flesh-eating plague for our limbs if we were abusive or something, or something else. But for now, this plague is symbolizing that we must reflect on our relationship with one another and how valuable we are to each other (all people).

Please take this time out seriously, but also have no fear but in God who loves you and will protect you as long as you follow His ways and His commands! Speak positively, dress modestly as Paul calls out, respect one another, make amends when you do wrong, give charity with a kind heart, motivate one another, don't make idols of medicine or money or toliet paper, for if God desire for you to be ill, do you think anything could stop Him? Only your prayers and righteousness and faith in His Son Jesus.

I will continue to pray for everyone and continue to reflect on myself, to become a better person! May God Bless you All!
 
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EleventhHour

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One possibility, as I suggested yesterday, is that there is no money in it for Big Pharma. Chloroquine is a generic drug.
Aralen is the brand name, chloroquine is the generic name.

As with many drugs there is both a brand name and the generic form depending on the patent.
 

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Kojikun

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Simply put we best work together on this than point fingers.
 

tanakh

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Simply put we best work together on this than point fingers.

This is the best advice I have seen on this subject. Wake up!! The whole world is under threat. Here in the UK we are only two weeks behind Italy. We are getting more infections and deaths every day and we are told the worst is yet to come.