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i wouldnt be surprised if some of these guys started teaching even in the new heaven and earth you can still choose to rebel and we have another fall.
its unbelievable.
grace is such a concept that to religious mind it just makes it go nuts thinkin it means we just sin at will. then you try to explain to them that they miss the point of a born again person dont want to sin, but wants to live for righteousness but nope they wont have any of it
its unbelievable.
grace is such a concept that to religious mind it just makes it go nuts thinkin it means we just sin at will. then you try to explain to them that they miss the point of a born again person dont want to sin, but wants to live for righteousness but nope they wont have any of it
So between March 2nd and yesterday morning, yesterday morning was the first time that you just coincidentally happened to check back on Christian Chad and saw my post and in a very short time responded. 
So am I immature in Christ or am I not saved at all? You tell me, since you enjoy playing judge. I don’t doubt my salvation one bit and my maturity level is between me and the Lord. You sound like someone who’s had some bad experiences at church and now you are bitter about it, which may explain why you keep lashing out at others.
So am I immature in Christ or am I not saved at all? You tell me, since you enjoy playing judge. I don’t doubt my salvation one bit and my maturity level is between me and the Lord. You sound like someone who’s had some bad experiences at church and now you are bitter about it, which may explain why you keep lashing out at others.
Wow! That's quite a coincidence!
It's not a game and postings (time and date of each post) are listed in everyone's profile. Not hard to figure out.
Your anger and bitterness is becoming more and more obvious. You sound like you are having a meltdown.
You consistently paint believers in the OSAS camp with a broad brush of either being babes in Christ or not believers at all. Have you ever met a OSAS believer that you considered to be grown up and knowledgeable and wise by your standards? You seem to believe that ONLY those in the NOSAS camp are capable of being grown up and knowledgeable and wise.
From my experience, many people in the NOSAS camp are quick to judge OSAS believers as promoting a license to sin and seem to view themselves as "holier than thou." Also, 'ALL' false religions and cults (who teach salvation by works) strongly oppose OSAS, which has always been a red flag for me! I grew up in the Roman Catholic church and for years listened to Catholic priests constantly attack OSAS and make fun of Protestants and accuse them of lacking in knowledge, yet these Catholic priests were clueless to the fact they were promoting a false gospel of works salvation. So pardon me if I don't seriously consider any form of rebuke from someone in the NOSAS camp.
If I was NOSAS then you would most likely consider me to be a real brother. It amazes me to see over the years on various Christian forums how people in the NOSAS camp are quick to join hands and sing 'kumbaya' together in unity over NOSAS, even if certain members in the group that they are holding hands with attend a false religion or cult and teach a false gospel.
Either we are born of BOTH water AND Spirit or else we are not. Believers do not merely have one or the other. Where do you come up with this stuff?
I used to consider you to be more patient and sincere, but now your angry, bitter true colors are really showing and it's disturbing! What happened to you?
You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Bad people most of the time? Hate and murder over doctrines? You are over the top! Apparently to you the Christian life seems to be all about NOSAS and attacking people in the OSAS camp. Losing salvation is mainly all you talk about.
Where does that leave most NOSAS people? It doesn't concern you in the least that ALL false religions and cults promote NOSAS?
You seem to only consider those in the NOSAS camp as most likely being real brothers and sisters in Christ and EVERYONE in the OSAS camp in your eyes as being either babes in Christ or not saved at all. Your NOSAS bias is making your decisions for you.
We are either born of water AND the Spirit or else we are not. It's not just one or the other. You talk about pride and arrogance characterizing OSAS believers, yet just listen to yourself!
It's not a game and postings (time and date of each post) are listed in everyone's profile. Not hard to figure out.
Your anger and bitterness is becoming more and more obvious. You sound like you are having a meltdown.
You consistently paint believers in the OSAS camp with a broad brush of either being babes in Christ or not believers at all. Have you ever met a OSAS believer that you considered to be grown up and knowledgeable and wise by your standards? You seem to believe that ONLY those in the NOSAS camp are capable of being grown up and knowledgeable and wise.
From my experience, many people in the NOSAS camp are quick to judge OSAS believers as promoting a license to sin and seem to view themselves as "holier than thou." Also, 'ALL' false religions and cults (who teach salvation by works) strongly oppose OSAS, which has always been a red flag for me! I grew up in the Roman Catholic church and for years listened to Catholic priests constantly attack OSAS and make fun of Protestants and accuse them of lacking in knowledge, yet these Catholic priests were clueless to the fact they were promoting a false gospel of works salvation. So pardon me if I don't seriously consider any form of rebuke from someone in the NOSAS camp.
If I was NOSAS then you would most likely consider me to be a real brother. It amazes me to see over the years on various Christian forums how people in the NOSAS camp are quick to join hands and sing 'kumbaya' together in unity over NOSAS, even if certain members in the group that they are holding hands with attend a false religion or cult and teach a false gospel.
Either we are born of BOTH water AND Spirit or else we are not. Believers do not merely have one or the other. Where do you come up with this stuff?
I used to consider you to be more patient and sincere, but now your angry, bitter true colors are really showing and it's disturbing! What happened to you?
You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Bad people most of the time? Hate and murder over doctrines? You are over the top!
Apparently to you the Christian life seems to be all about NOSAS and attacking people in the OSAS camp. Losing salvation is mainly all you talk about. Where does that leave most NOSAS people? It doesn't concern you in the least that ALL false religions and cults promote NOSAS?
You seem to only consider those in the NOSAS camp as most likely being real brothers and sisters in Christ and EVERYONE in the OSAS camp in your eyes as being either babes in Christ or not saved at all. Your NOSAS bias is making your decisions for you.
We are either born of water AND the Spirit or else we are not. It's not just one or the other. You talk about pride and arrogance characterizing OSAS believers, yet just listen to yourself!
My GUESS is he is coming home to AMERICA.
So now you in your mind want to CHOSE what is INSPIRED, and what is NOT.
Isn't that the definition of a CULT ? ? ?
2 Timothy 3:15-16 (HCSB)
15 and you know that from childhood you have known the sacred Scriptures, which are able to give you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
2 Peter 1:20-21 (HCSB)
20 First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation,
21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
So now you in your mind want to CHOSE what is INSPIRED, and what is NOT.
Isn't that the definition of a CULT ? ? ?
2 Timothy 3:15-16 (HCSB)
15 and you know that from childhood you have known the sacred Scriptures, which are able to give you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
2 Peter 1:20-21 (HCSB)
20 First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation,
21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
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First NO NEED to apologize to him.....second....it is not unbiblical to make the sense known in our own words and give a reasonable explanation.....make no mistake...almost everything he states is tainted by the false, self maintained salvation that he spews like a backed up septic pipe when it is finally opened!
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YEP, the store today had NO TOILET PAPER, but I am not panicking, because I was raised in a generation that had to use a Sear & Rowbuck old catalog in an outhouse.
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I don't know about all 'dat stuff, lol, but look at this:
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 KJV
For the sake of others reading this, the Perfect tense of a verb means the action of that verb was completed in the past and has results continuing up to the present. That's the definition of the Perfect tense--completed action with results continuing up to the present.
In the verse above, the verb 'hath not believed' is in the Perfect tense. It's a completed action with results continuing up to the present. The result of not believing that continues up to the present is condemnation. Now, if the Perfect tense is defined as osas says it is, then the continuing result of this poor chap's unbelieving, his condemnation, not only continues up to the present but also continues into the future and will never end. But we know all he has to do is believe and the results of his past action of not believing end. This demonstrates that the results of a Perfect tense past action can end and don't have to, by definition of the Perfect tense, continue unchanged beyond the present as osas says it does.
Capisce?
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:18 KJV
For the sake of others reading this, the Perfect tense of a verb means the action of that verb was completed in the past and has results continuing up to the present. That's the definition of the Perfect tense--completed action with results continuing up to the present.
In the verse above, the verb 'hath not believed' is in the Perfect tense. It's a completed action with results continuing up to the present. The result of not believing that continues up to the present is condemnation. Now, if the Perfect tense is defined as osas says it is, then the continuing result of this poor chap's unbelieving, his condemnation, not only continues up to the present but also continues into the future and will never end. But we know all he has to do is believe and the results of his past action of not believing end. This demonstrates that the results of a Perfect tense past action can end and don't have to, by definition of the Perfect tense, continue unchanged beyond the present as osas says it does.
Capisce?
Hi Dcon...
He did not even acknowledge my apology , I think he has me on ignore , not sure why , I have never said anything bad to him really , just felt I posted one time from my flesh in annoyance to his post , but he never responded to that either...
I also sent him pm , but that has not been noted ...
I agree that we should all raise our swords against the false gospel that is being preached , and I will carry on regardless , but I did want to openly apologize to him on the forum , because I openly spoke to him through my frustration...
Nice to see you back @dcontroversal , hope you keeping well brother...
Not sure where you are , I just had a vision of you supping on your coffee looking out on the mountains enjoying separation from the virus , or are you back home in the U.S.A. ?
...xox...
He did not even acknowledge my apology , I think he has me on ignore , not sure why , I have never said anything bad to him really , just felt I posted one time from my flesh in annoyance to his post , but he never responded to that either...
I also sent him pm , but that has not been noted ...
I agree that we should all raise our swords against the false gospel that is being preached , and I will carry on regardless , but I did want to openly apologize to him on the forum , because I openly spoke to him through my frustration...
Nice to see you back @dcontroversal , hope you keeping well brother...
Not sure where you are , I just had a vision of you supping on your coffee looking out on the mountains enjoying separation from the virus , or are you back home in the U.S.A. ?
...xox...
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guys lets all be honest. God is gracious and merciful we agree on that.
how patient are we with our loved ones and family members? very. imagine how patient God is?
it has taken me forever to give up some sins and when i finally did it was great. but when i believed God would just throw me to hellfire for not being able to give them up like that, its only gonna make it worse you think i might as well not even bother.
i believe thats what devil wants he wants people to be unsure doubting all the time and feel miserable.
there are cases where the bible says some are given over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so the spirit can be saved. that case maybe the man just couldnt get victory over his flesh world and the devil so now sin will destroy his flesh. but he is still saved in eternity.
how patient are we with our loved ones and family members? very. imagine how patient God is?
it has taken me forever to give up some sins and when i finally did it was great. but when i believed God would just throw me to hellfire for not being able to give them up like that, its only gonna make it worse you think i might as well not even bother.
i believe thats what devil wants he wants people to be unsure doubting all the time and feel miserable.
there are cases where the bible says some are given over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so the spirit can be saved. that case maybe the man just couldnt get victory over his flesh world and the devil so now sin will destroy his flesh. but he is still saved in eternity.
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