Not By Works

[John146]

Romans 2:
[28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1 Samuel 16:
[7]...for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

God see's a Jew when he looks on a believer.

So the book of "Hebrews" is written to us.

I’m in the body of Christ where there is no Jew or Gentile. I’m not in agreement with replacement theology.

 

[dcontroversal]

I see we have another salvation loser that uses a set of verses out of Hebrews that actually proves eternal security to peddle a losable salvation......the ignorance of this and denial of context and Greek verb tense never ceases to sicken me and or astound me!

 

[EleventhHour]

I see we have another salvation loser that uses a set of verses out of Hebrews that actually proves eternal security to peddle a losable salvation......the ignorance of this and denial of context and Greek verb tense never ceases to sicken me and or astound me!

Yes it seems so... without fail Hebrews 6:4-6 wretched out of context and misunderstood.

 

[dcontroversal]

Not "my" but "Bible" theology. James says faith without works is dead. OSAS says faith without works is alive and well and carrying countless Christians to heaven - which is Biblical?
Two things:
1) Since when does consensus determine what is true?
2) While I appreciate your enthusiasm, your posts are a long list of disconnected ideas strung together with cords of confusion...try shortening them a bit, maybe?
Yes, a person called according to grace will evidence that he has accepted that call by a life of "good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." OSAS says obedience is optional. This Seal is not spoken in the sense of something which prevents escape, like so many prisoners on a chain gang....."seal" and "sign" are synonymous in Scripture (Romans 4:11) and the function of the seal is as an "identifier" of who is serving God and who is serving the enemy. Not the least bit of support for OSAS anywhere in this text. Again, it means God places His "mark" on us, just as in the case of Ezekiel 8. Got nothin to do with cords of restraint. Restraint from sin is something that we choose to exercise by His indwelling Spirit and power. "Not my will, but Thy will" is our Divine example and our plea to God for overcoming strength.
Yes, "but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." Not sure what's the hard part here. If "he" - the born again, grace saved saint - fails to endure to the end, that uncorrupted inheritance won't profit him one iota. Again, it is through faith - LIVING FAITH - that we can claim the promises of God, such as His protection. The dead faith of OSAS is powerless to claim anything but presumptuous boasting by those who fancy themselves "more than conquerors" while getting their butts handed to them by Satan whenever he comes around dangling his temptations.
So, the fact that God does not revoke his gift means we can't cast it aside after having first accepted it? A saint can't trade eternal life for "the pleasures of sin for a season"? When Peter says "If after having escaped the pollutions of this world..." he is referring to SANITIZED SAINTS who chose a fate that is worse than before they got sainthood. Predictably, verse 10 is left out because it so completely exposes OSAS as being loosely based on wrongly divided Scripture...verse 10 shows that the unavoidable consequence of accepting grace through faith is obedience - the cease and desist from doing that which made necessary the death of Jesus on the Cross in the first place. Surely, we can agree that we do not want to "crucify the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame"?

I see we have another context denier that peddles a losable salvation and or a faith/works blend false gospel of salvation....

PAUL ->> Faith alone saves a man eternally

James --> a mere BELIEF IN God like demons DOES not save a man

James is not saying FAITH PLUS WORKS for salvation!!

He is writing to JEWS which have the same problem unto this day...A MERE BELIEF IN GOD but NO SAVING FAITH into Christ!

Do you guys even acknowledge context and the simple words of the bible!!!!????

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes is seems so... without fail Hebrews 6:4-6 wretched out of context and misunderstood.

It is rather sickening at the end of the day....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Well done.

Except that it denies numerous examples found IN SCRIPTURE....but hey....carry on embracing error!!!

 

[EleventhHour]

It is rather sickening at the end of the day....!

Tell me about it I even changed my avatar!!

It is an affront to Jesus to state He gives away, or cannot keep those that are His... just terrible, beyond words really.

 

[dcontroversal]

You seem to paint all OSAS believers with a broad brush based on one or two bad examples. Faith in Christ is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

You need to realize that there may be people who believe they are saved, but are deceived. You may have people who went forward years ago during an altar call at church for example, got emotional while reciting the sinners prayer, yet did not truly repent and believe the gospel, but were duped into believing they were saved anyway, simply because they 'recited' the sinner's prayer (as if it's a magical formula to automatically save those who merely recite those words) in spite of the fact that they did not place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Such people may live the rest of their lives living like the devil, yet say to themselves in the back of their minds, "I'm saved and will always be saved simply because I recited a prayer at church years ago." That is insanity!

I've heard numerous works-salvationists make this statement and what such people consider to be a backslidden state seems to vary from slight to extreme. ALL false religions and cults strongly oppose OSAS and teach salvation by works, including Roman Catholics, Mormons, SDA's etc.. yet 'claim' to be Christian. I see that as insanity! Those in the NOSAS camp are generally quick to unfairly label those in the OSAS camp as promoting a 'license to sin.'

The just shall live by faith and those who draw back did not believe to the saving of the soul. In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But WE are not OF THOSE who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.​

Keep reading. 1 John 3:23 - And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.​

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

All salvation losers and self salvation gurus that peddle faith plus works for like a street organ player do this......just another religionist denying Jesus at the end of the day!

 

[dcontroversal]

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How many times.... oh Lord.... how many times!

Obviously ONE MORE......another denier!

 

[dcontroversal]

How do you view faith? Do you see it as an effort on your part? What do you think is saving faith?

I can tell you....he denies Jesus....denies JESUS FINISHES and completes faith in us and makes Jesus into an inept god that needs our help to remain saved....His view is utterly disgusting and a slap in the face to Jesus, his word, his power and his promises.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

I’m in the body of Christ where there is no Jew or Gentile.

Galatians:
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

I’m not in agreement with replacement theology.

Neither am I.

I'm in agreement with scripture.

 

[dcontroversal]

Not a lot of "godly people in church today." Who is to decide the heart of mankind? God Himself will do the judging . But it is worth repeating that the pot may be calling the kettle black. If one peddles that Christians have to "hold onto" in order to "keep their salvation", how can that person judge who is godly and who is not?

He is one of the worst false teachers I have seen.....his time will come and he absolutely trusts himself over Jesus....sickening!

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry, friend, but OSAS is a false teaching which provides false security to its adherents by teaching men can obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life. (James 2:14-17 KJV)

You obvioulsy don't know the Jesus of the bible if you believe the drivel in your first line!

 

[dcontroversal]

You're right I missed the point, and treating people good is a fruit of the spirit. I agree with you on that.

How would you describe the following....

a. Using a whip to drive the money changers out of the temple

B. Using terms of derision like snakes, vipers, hypocrites or coffins filled with the bones of dead men


C. Using sarcasm to cut and belittle false teachers.

As a believer, there is NOTHING wrong with raking Jesus devaluing false liars and false teachers over the coals...NO where are we instructed to coddle them and or bend over backwards to appease them out of a false pretense of love.....ever!

 

[John146]

Galatians:
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Spiritually, yes, Abraham’s seed.

 

[dcontroversal]

C

Once saved saved always is the Gospel.

The gift is eternal life nothing less........it cannot be revoked, lost, forsaken or taken back.

When we are saved we sealed by the Holy Spirit.

Can you believe these jokers and frauds...

Eternal does not mean eternal
Everlasting means temporal
And Irrevocable means revocable

What deceivers they are!

 

[EleventhHour]

C
Can you believe these jokers and frauds...

Eternal does not mean eternal
Everlasting means temporal
And Irrevocable means revocable

What deceivers they are!

Indeed .. changing the plain meaning/definition of words constantly.

Only a person intent on deceiving does this.

 

[dcontroversal]

Interested to know your thoughts on how Jesus responded to those in his day whilst on earth who claimed to be men of God, the ones faking.

Matthew 23:33
33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

Matthew 12:34-37
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

What about the 7 woes to the Pharisees?

Jesus did not pull any punches here.

Nor did John the Baptist, Elijah, Paul......this crap fake love peddled by religionists today is sickening.....A believer is under NO OBLIGATION to coddle fakes, frauds and or false teachers.....full BORE exposure!!

 

[dcontroversal]

It is funny how these religionists, Cainologists, Jesus Devaluers and working for salvation losers deny the fact that an apple tree can bear both good, edible fruit WHILE AT THE SAME TIME put off a few pieces or many pieces of rotten, worm infested fruit at the same time......JESUS and the bible REFERENCE NATURE on a consistent basis yet these jokers deny this just like they deny scripture on a regular basis!