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I think Holy Spirit is the same today yesterday and forever, I believe a man want to be the boss and not listen to the Holy Spirit anymore, myself include, than we not hear when He talk.
Colossians 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
Paul is apostle by the will of God
Today a person become a pastor because graduate from bible school than ordain as pastor. I don't know if the church ever ordain Paul as an apostle it may but I never do reasearh
Colossians 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
Paul is apostle by the will of God
Today a person become a pastor because graduate from bible school than ordain as pastor. I don't know if the church ever ordain Paul as an apostle it may but I never do reasearh
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The title of article in the New York time is
Vatican say catholic should not convert Jews
Why you say catholic want to convert Jews
This is my analyses
1. You don't believe the reporter or you think reporter lie
2. Or you believe the reporter honest but catholic lie,lie because t
She want convert Jews but say no.
This is the link from you
1.There is no salvation apart from Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Again, this is an infallible teaching and not up for debate among Catholics.
Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God.
Those in the category of #2 have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church.
So catholic believe no salvation out side Catholic Church, I believe otherwise no salvation in Catholic Church
But lack of knowledge like if people never hear about catholic exclude #1
Is that mean she say no need to convert Jews to make them lack of knowledge about catholic somthey save without convert to catholic?
Than say no need to convert all religion not only Jews.
1.There is no salvation apart from Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Again, this is an infallible teaching and not up for debate among Catholics.
Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God.
Those in the category of #2 have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church.
So catholic believe no salvation out side Catholic Church, I believe otherwise no salvation in Catholic Church
But lack of knowledge like if people never hear about catholic exclude #1
Is that mean she say no need to convert Jews to make them lack of knowledge about catholic somthey save without convert to catholic?
Than say no need to convert all religion not only Jews.
@Jackson123
"But logically speaking, if Peter was the president of the apostle, and was in Rome why the book of act that tell about Paul, his cabinet member there and not mention the boss at all?"
I'm not really interested in whether Peter was in Rome or not, either.
But silence from the book of Acts is not a good reason to think he wasn't there, imo.
Acts is not a complete history, it leaves out a lot of things. The things that are included tell a particular story, show a particular point. At least that's how I read it.
Also, did you say that when the leaders of the Jews met Paul they hadn't heard of Christianity? I can't remember if you said that or not. Anyways, it looks to me like there are Christians in Rome before Paul arrives, and the Jewish leaders have heard about Christianity.
"But logically speaking, if Peter was the president of the apostle, and was in Rome why the book of act that tell about Paul, his cabinet member there and not mention the boss at all?"
I'm not really interested in whether Peter was in Rome or not, either.
But silence from the book of Acts is not a good reason to think he wasn't there, imo.
Acts is not a complete history, it leaves out a lot of things. The things that are included tell a particular story, show a particular point. At least that's how I read it.
Also, did you say that when the leaders of the Jews met Paul they hadn't heard of Christianity? I can't remember if you said that or not. Anyways, it looks to me like there are Christians in Rome before Paul arrives, and the Jewish leaders have heard about Christianity.
So you believe reporter wrote out of context? Can you show me step by step why you believe that writer was write out of context, while lumen gentium seem support it.
Let me quote lumen gentium about Muslim one more time
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127)
But the plan of salvation include...........Muslim
So catholic that say no salvation outside the church change her mind, now she believe Muslim included.
Why??
Read next sentence
Because catholic believe Muslim professing the faith of abraham and share the same God with catholic.
That is lie, I am from Muslim country, Muslim do not believe Jesus is God
If they adore Abraham God they will believe Jesus is God
This verse (126) also implied no need convert Islam, they are already in the plan of salvation
Let me quote lumen gentium about Muslim one more time
But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127)
But the plan of salvation include...........Muslim
So catholic that say no salvation outside the church change her mind, now she believe Muslim included.
Why??
Read next sentence
Because catholic believe Muslim professing the faith of abraham and share the same God with catholic.
That is lie, I am from Muslim country, Muslim do not believe Jesus is God
If they adore Abraham God they will believe Jesus is God
This verse (126) also implied no need convert Islam, they are already in the plan of salvation
I did that is why I ask you a question
1. No salvation outside catholic
2 in the event, lack of knowledge #1 invalid
For example if Jews never hear about catholic than it may save outside catholic
Is that why she say no need to convert Jews to make Jews lack of knowledge so they save without convert?
In this case why not say, no need to convert all religion to make them lack of knowledge so they save without catholic.
I believe lumen gentium design to make a way toward one world religion to support one world government that is antichrist government
1. No salvation outside catholic
2 in the event, lack of knowledge #1 invalid
For example if Jews never hear about catholic than it may save outside catholic
Is that why she say no need to convert Jews to make Jews lack of knowledge so they save without convert?
In this case why not say, no need to convert all religion to make them lack of knowledge so they save without catholic.
I believe lumen gentium design to make a way toward one world religion to support one world government that is antichrist government
Act 28
21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
After president Peter preach for 28 years about this sect Jews want to know from Paul about this sect (Christianity) Peter the president that have more authority HDR been teach about this sect for 28 years now they want to know from Peters man?
And after 28 years Peter preach there they only know every where people spoke bad thing about this sect
To me it is strong indication Peter never there and mean the foundation of who pope is, is lie and this religion is lie
Not so much the writing of the reporter, but I think you're tending to take a single statement or paragraph and not consider loads of other statements and writing.
Kind of like the atheist who reads
Psalm 137: 9 Happy shall he be, who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock.
And then says, "See? Christians like to kill babies."
Kind of like the atheist who reads
Psalm 137: 9 Happy shall he be, who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock.
And then says, "See? Christians like to kill babies."
Well, going step by step through the article, we come to this
"But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly."
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/o...ally-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
So it looks like this may take some time to understand properly. Are you willing to do that?
"But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly."
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/o...ally-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
So it looks like this may take some time to understand properly. Are you willing to do that?
Hang on there, one step at a time.
"Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God."
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/o...ally-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Do you disagree with this? Now, I'm not asking if you think it contradicts something else they said. I'm asking if you believe that those who are invincibly ignorant are culpable before God?
"Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God."
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/o...ally-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Do you disagree with this? Now, I'm not asking if you think it contradicts something else they said. I'm asking if you believe that those who are invincibly ignorant are culpable before God?
In what I wrote in the post that you quoted, I wasn't talking specifically about Peter being in Rome.
I was talking about the presence of Christianity and Christians in Rome before Paul arrived.
Acts 28: 14 So we came to Rome. 15 From there the brothers, when they heard of us, came to meet us as far as The Market of Appius and The Three Taverns. When Paul saw them, he thanked God, and took courage.
So there were already Brothers in Rome who came to meet Paul.
Romans 1: 8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world.
The faith of Roman Christians, before the arrival of Paul, had been proclaimed throughout the whole world.
Romans 1: 13 Now I don't desire to have you unaware, brothers, that I often planned to come to you, and was hindered so far, that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles.
But Paul had never met them.
I was talking about the presence of Christianity and Christians in Rome before Paul arrived.
Acts 28: 14 So we came to Rome. 15 From there the brothers, when they heard of us, came to meet us as far as The Market of Appius and The Three Taverns. When Paul saw them, he thanked God, and took courage.
So there were already Brothers in Rome who came to meet Paul.
Romans 1: 8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world.
The faith of Roman Christians, before the arrival of Paul, had been proclaimed throughout the whole world.
Romans 1: 13 Now I don't desire to have you unaware, brothers, that I often planned to come to you, and was hindered so far, that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles.
But Paul had never met them.
Not to get technical but the word apostle is one of the most abused words destroying the intent or meaning in several places by a oral tradition of men .. Its an action of the unseen Spirit moving the apostle to both will and do His good pleasure. . The apostles like the apostle Jesus did not hide the fact they were doing the will of the father in heaven not seen.
To venerate an image like an apostle only shows things got turned upside down .(blasphemy) What the eyes see could afford no understanding as something they could claim of them selves. Paul moved by the Spirit like us knew no claims of fame . If we have received it as it is written why even think about boasting and lose of first love the hearing of faith.
God giving us his Faithful understanding.
To venerate an image like an apostle only shows things got turned upside down .(blasphemy) What the eyes see could afford no understanding as something they could claim of them selves. Paul moved by the Spirit like us knew no claims of fame . If we have received it as it is written why even think about boasting and lose of first love the hearing of faith.
God giving us his Faithful understanding.
So you believe the writer is honest but I only take single statement not consider the rest.
My brother, you have to read the article one more time. I am not quite the paragraph, I am quote the title
I google about title
Quote
Declarative titles – state the main findings or conclusions (e.g. ‘A three-month weight loss program increases self-esteem in adolescent girls’)
Descriptive titles – describe the subject of the article but do not reveal the main conclusions (e.g. ‘The effects of family support on patients with dementia’).
Interrogative titles – introduce the subject in the form of a question (e.g. ‘Does cognitive training improve performance on pattern recognition tasks?’)
End quote
I believe on that article the title is the conclusion or what is the whole picture on this article
And the conclusion is
Vatican say catholic do not need to convert Jews
In other hand you only read or emphasized one of the paragraph and say Vatican want convert Jews. And I don't know what paragraph say that
The writer itself conclude and make a title Vatican say catholic do not need to convert Jews
And you believe the writer honest don't you?
My brother, you have to read the article one more time. I am not quite the paragraph, I am quote the title
I google about title
Quote
Declarative titles – state the main findings or conclusions (e.g. ‘A three-month weight loss program increases self-esteem in adolescent girls’)
Descriptive titles – describe the subject of the article but do not reveal the main conclusions (e.g. ‘The effects of family support on patients with dementia’).
Interrogative titles – introduce the subject in the form of a question (e.g. ‘Does cognitive training improve performance on pattern recognition tasks?’)
End quote
I believe on that article the title is the conclusion or what is the whole picture on this article
And the conclusion is
Vatican say catholic do not need to convert Jews
In other hand you only read or emphasized one of the paragraph and say Vatican want convert Jews. And I don't know what paragraph say that
The writer itself conclude and make a title Vatican say catholic do not need to convert Jews
And you believe the writer honest don't you?