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This link contains loads of commentaries written by people who can understand the syntax of the original language
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/28-15.htm#
I looked through several, all the ones I looked through said that the brothers came from Rome.
Two examples:
"And from thence, when the brethren heard of us . . .—Better, the brethren having heard about us. The seven days at Puteoli had given ample time for the news of the Apostle’s arrival to reach the disciples at Rome."
"And from thence, when the brethren—of Rome"
That same link above also talks about the practice of going to meet someone important in the first commentary
"They came to meet us.—The practice of going some miles from the city to meet one whom men delighted to honour was a common one. So the Jews of Rome had gone out to meet the Pseudo-Alexander who claimed to be a son of Herod (Jos. Ant. xvii. 12, § 1). So the Romans had poured forth to meet Germanicus (Sueton. Calig. c. 4) when he lived, and to do honour to his remains after his death (Tacit. Ann. iii. 5). So in earlier days, Cicero had been welcomed on his return from exile, journeying from Brundusium on the self-same Appian Way on which St. Paul was now travelling, senate and people alike going forth to meet him (Cic. pro Sext. 63, in Pison. 22)."
I think that Paul never wrote a letter to the church in Jerusalem because he was mostly an apostle to the gentiles.
I think if you look at the context of the passage in Romans 15, you'll see that he is intending to go through Rome just to get helped on his way to Spain.
Romans 15: 18 For I will not dare to speak of any things except those which Christ worked through me, for the obedience of the Gentiles, by word and deed, 19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of God's Spirit; so that from Jerusalem, and around as far as to Illyricum, I have fully preached the Good News of Christ; 20 yes, making it my aim to preach the Good News, not where Christ was already named, that I might not build on another's foundation. 21 But, as it is written, "They will see, to whom no news of him came. They who haven't heard will understand." 22 Therefore also I was hindered these many times from coming to you, 23 but now, no longer having any place in these regions, and having these many years a longing to come to you, 24 whenever I journey to Spain, I will come to you. For I hope to see you on my journey, and to be helped on my way there by you, if first I may enjoy your company for a while. 25 But now, I say, I am going to Jerusalem, serving the saints.
Notice that in all of Romans, Paul doesn't talk about seeing the Romans again, like he does to other churches
2 Corinthians 12: 20 For I am afraid that by any means, when I come, I might find you not the way I want to, and that I might be found by you as you don't desire; that by any means there would be strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, whisperings, proud thoughts, riots; 21 that again when I come my God would humble me before you, and I would mourn for many of those who have sinned before now, and not repented of the uncleanness and sexual immorality and lustfulness which they committed.
I don't think writing a letter would count as building on another man's foundation. And it sounds like he's talking about visiting them mostly for fellowship, and for them to help him on his way to Spain.
That there were Christians in Rome before Paul got there and Acts 28 doesn't necessarily mean that Peter was there.
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/28-15.htm#
I looked through several, all the ones I looked through said that the brothers came from Rome.
Two examples:
"And from thence, when the brethren heard of us . . .—Better, the brethren having heard about us. The seven days at Puteoli had given ample time for the news of the Apostle’s arrival to reach the disciples at Rome."
"And from thence, when the brethren—of Rome"
That same link above also talks about the practice of going to meet someone important in the first commentary
"They came to meet us.—The practice of going some miles from the city to meet one whom men delighted to honour was a common one. So the Jews of Rome had gone out to meet the Pseudo-Alexander who claimed to be a son of Herod (Jos. Ant. xvii. 12, § 1). So the Romans had poured forth to meet Germanicus (Sueton. Calig. c. 4) when he lived, and to do honour to his remains after his death (Tacit. Ann. iii. 5). So in earlier days, Cicero had been welcomed on his return from exile, journeying from Brundusium on the self-same Appian Way on which St. Paul was now travelling, senate and people alike going forth to meet him (Cic. pro Sext. 63, in Pison. 22)."
I think that Paul never wrote a letter to the church in Jerusalem because he was mostly an apostle to the gentiles.
I think if you look at the context of the passage in Romans 15, you'll see that he is intending to go through Rome just to get helped on his way to Spain.
Romans 15: 18 For I will not dare to speak of any things except those which Christ worked through me, for the obedience of the Gentiles, by word and deed, 19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of God's Spirit; so that from Jerusalem, and around as far as to Illyricum, I have fully preached the Good News of Christ; 20 yes, making it my aim to preach the Good News, not where Christ was already named, that I might not build on another's foundation. 21 But, as it is written, "They will see, to whom no news of him came. They who haven't heard will understand." 22 Therefore also I was hindered these many times from coming to you, 23 but now, no longer having any place in these regions, and having these many years a longing to come to you, 24 whenever I journey to Spain, I will come to you. For I hope to see you on my journey, and to be helped on my way there by you, if first I may enjoy your company for a while. 25 But now, I say, I am going to Jerusalem, serving the saints.
Notice that in all of Romans, Paul doesn't talk about seeing the Romans again, like he does to other churches
2 Corinthians 12: 20 For I am afraid that by any means, when I come, I might find you not the way I want to, and that I might be found by you as you don't desire; that by any means there would be strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, whisperings, proud thoughts, riots; 21 that again when I come my God would humble me before you, and I would mourn for many of those who have sinned before now, and not repented of the uncleanness and sexual immorality and lustfulness which they committed.
I don't think writing a letter would count as building on another man's foundation. And it sounds like he's talking about visiting them mostly for fellowship, and for them to help him on his way to Spain.
That there were Christians in Rome before Paul got there and Acts 28 doesn't necessarily mean that Peter was there.
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I see it differently. it's true that the apostle can just mean someone who is sent. But in the New testament it sometimes has a specialized meaning.
Acts 15: 2 Therefore when Paul and Barnabas had no small discord and discussion with them, they appointed Paul and Barnabas, and some others of them, to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders about this question.
Not just apostles in Jerusalem, apostles and elders.
1 Corinthians 12: 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 God has set some in the assembly: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracle workers, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, and various kinds of languages. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all miracle workers?
Acts 15: 2 Therefore when Paul and Barnabas had no small discord and discussion with them, they appointed Paul and Barnabas, and some others of them, to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders about this question.
Not just apostles in Jerusalem, apostles and elders.
1 Corinthians 12: 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 God has set some in the assembly: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracle workers, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, and various kinds of languages. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all miracle workers?
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I think that the entire sentence indicates that there are not two paths to salvation.
"The theory that there may be two different paths to salvation, the Jewish path without Christ and the path with the Christ, whom Christians believe is Jesus of Nazareth,
would in fact endanger the foundations of Christian faith."
I'm going through the posts one at a time. I hope that when I come to the place where you answer whether you're willing to go step-by-step, that your answer will be yes.
"The theory that there may be two different paths to salvation, the Jewish path without Christ and the path with the Christ, whom Christians believe is Jesus of Nazareth,
would in fact endanger the foundations of Christian faith."
I'm going through the posts one at a time. I hope that when I come to the place where you answer whether you're willing to go step-by-step, that your answer will be yes.
Mother Teresa has been quoted as saying she was counting on her good deeds to gain her favor and entrance into heaven. She did not believe that she needed the blood of Christ to atone for her personal sin. She in essence denied Christ and I will leave you to draw the conclusion regarding the consequences.
The others on your list I do not have at my convenience so they will need further investigation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The others on your list I do not have at my convenience so they will need further investigation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It would seem you have fallen into the same and developed other meaning other that the one meaning of the word ." Sent one"Form that point many use the apotles as some sort of authorityive figugure having no more authority that the others who he sends out two by two. The first listing of a apotle prophet .One sent with prophecy is abel .he is also the first recordede martyr. words have meaning atched to them
And the answer to the query in 1 Corinthians 12 is no Not every believer is sent out with the gospel as it teaches men to believe God .If it taught the Apostle Christ is surely can tch us.
If Paul was still there would be no way would he except the definition men give today to somehow puff him above above that which is written. Then you get the idea of Apostolic succession a abomination of desolation (blasphemy)
The things seen the corrupted flesh of mankind standing in the unseen holy place as the one source of faith . A violation of the law of God.
Apostles are not a source of Christian faith .Christ alone is. None, not little faith . We walk by faith. As it seems many forget .No communing with the dead" necromancy". The Catholic foundation they copied from the apostate Jews during the time of the first century reformation
1 Corinthians 4:6-7 King James Version (KJV) And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
Do you seem room for venerating, worshiping the apostles by looking at the law above ?
Does the word Apostle carry any other understanding other that what the word declares? Is there a meaning hidden?
1. I am not sure from thence mean fro Rome though it is posible, but why it do not say they bring food every day or give him shelter
You say they not give him shelter because he is prisoner. He was prisoner since from Jerusalem and the authority let the believer give him shelter in puteoli.
2. About building on another foundation
To me building on another foundation in this context is to give more information or encouragement to be a better and mature Christian
And 16 chapter of the letter to Rome full of preaching about that
If he only want to visit to Rome where Peter, his boss there as a pastor, than the letter must go to Peter
For example
Dear boss Peter
I want to visit you in Rome, I am not try to steal your sheep, only to visit you as my boss.
And Paul not going to preach like in the letter to Rome without ask Peter permissions
To me the letter to Rome itself is building on the foundation but not other,
They are Christian so the foundation had been build
If the letter was to unbeliever than it mean building foundation, not building on foundation
Paul make an analogy preaching the gospel is like building a house
First build foundation than build a wall on that foundation
The letter to Rome mean build on the foundation.
Let me say one more time. The letter was not only to inform Christian there that he want to visit them, if so it will be nice if the letter directed to his boss Peter if Peter is Pope there.
But the content of the letter is preaching, or build on the foundation
You say they not give him shelter because he is prisoner. He was prisoner since from Jerusalem and the authority let the believer give him shelter in puteoli.
2. About building on another foundation
To me building on another foundation in this context is to give more information or encouragement to be a better and mature Christian
And 16 chapter of the letter to Rome full of preaching about that
If he only want to visit to Rome where Peter, his boss there as a pastor, than the letter must go to Peter
For example
Dear boss Peter
I want to visit you in Rome, I am not try to steal your sheep, only to visit you as my boss.
And Paul not going to preach like in the letter to Rome without ask Peter permissions
To me the letter to Rome itself is building on the foundation but not other,
They are Christian so the foundation had been build
If the letter was to unbeliever than it mean building foundation, not building on foundation
Paul make an analogy preaching the gospel is like building a house
First build foundation than build a wall on that foundation
The letter to Rome mean build on the foundation.
Let me say one more time. The letter was not only to inform Christian there that he want to visit them, if so it will be nice if the letter directed to his boss Peter if Peter is Pope there.
But the content of the letter is preaching, or build on the foundation
We study the word of God . Not the private interpolations of men as the witness of men .Do we have any writings of Paul that are not inspired from heaven?
Those apostles are dead .We can study to see how God moved them just as he moves us or how they refused to hear.
Sending us out as apostles two by two with the gospel our new tongue. The power of God in us not of the corrupted flesh .
Those apostles are dead .We can study to see how God moved them just as he moves us or how they refused to hear.
Sending us out as apostles two by two with the gospel our new tongue. The power of God in us not of the corrupted flesh .
So what, you get visions from God in your head? 2 by 2 was Noah's Ark. And Apostle Paul never wrote anything. He was quoted. They thought that Jesus was coming back in their lifetime. And It was the Jews that refused to head his warnings . That is why Noah happened. Moses and the rest. He parted the sea and two weeks later they were worshiping a false god. Any of Pauls teachings came directly from Jesus...
Let talk about act 28:14 and15
Kjv say went toward Rome
Another version say went to Rome
Went toward Rome not necessary meant went to Rome though in this context also mean went to Rome
A thief depart from Phoenix az police ask the witnesses where A went, the witnesses say he take I 10 toward LA
It not necessary he went to LA
He may went to Avondale or buckeye because you will passing those town if you drive from Phoenix to LA take I10
From P Paul went toward Rome from thence/there people meet him in appii f
It is multy interpretation
From there may mean from the towns toward Rome or may mean Rome
But the way Luke wrote I believe thence do not mean Rome but the passing town on the way to Rome
Luke not say anything about welcoming party in Rome. Seem to me Luke writings style is so detail and like to use precision word
Kjv say went toward Rome
Another version say went to Rome
Went toward Rome not necessary meant went to Rome though in this context also mean went to Rome
A thief depart from Phoenix az police ask the witnesses where A went, the witnesses say he take I 10 toward LA
It not necessary he went to LA
He may went to Avondale or buckeye because you will passing those town if you drive from Phoenix to LA take I10
From P Paul went toward Rome from thence/there people meet him in appii f
It is multy interpretation
From there may mean from the towns toward Rome or may mean Rome
But the way Luke wrote I believe thence do not mean Rome but the passing town on the way to Rome
Luke not say anything about welcoming party in Rome. Seem to me Luke writings style is so detail and like to use precision word