Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Daniel 9:27 King James Version (KJV)

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

WORLD NEWSDECEMBER 10, 2015 / 5:12 AM / 4 YEARS AGO
Vatican says Catholics should not try to convert Jews, should fight anti-semitism
Philip Pullella
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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Catholics should not try to convert Jews and should work with them to fight anti-Semitism, the Vatican said on Thursday in a major document drawing the Church further away from the strained relations of the past.

Is this the sign of Daniel prophecy Israel will make peace agreement for 7 years?

Catholic was Israel enemy, now go toward friendship
By skipping around and picking up a piece here and a piece there, some truly amazing conclusions can be arrived at!

Happy Easter, my brother Jackson! :)
 

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No salvation apart from the church, which is the body of Christ. Most Protestants believe that as well!
There is no salvation in the RC church. Same goes for the British Israelism churches. Or the prosperity gospel churches.
 

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Do you mean Jews are not allowed at Catholic masses?
I never say that, but your publication say Christian was discriminate Jews and did force conversion.

Because that document was publish by Vatican so I believe the word Christian mean catholic.
 

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Do you mean Jews are not allowed at Catholic masses?
Sorry I make wrong respon, this is my response

I never say that.

Not to convert and not and not allow catholic masses are 2 different statement

It posdible Jews voluntarily not because some body make effort to convert.
 

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No salvation apart from the church, which is the body of Christ. Most Protestants believe that as well!
To my knowledge bible say no salvation apart from Christ.

Catholic believe no salvation apart from Catholic Church because the real church must be under Peter successor.
 

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I think they mean the same kind of thing that Paul is talking about here

Romans 11: 16 If the first fruit is holy, so is the lump. If the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them, and became partaker with them of the root and of the richness of the olive tree; 18 don't boast over the branches. But if you boast, it is not you who support the root,

but the root supports you.

You believe Paul mean the word root is judaism?

Jesus talking about branch can noe bear fruit of itsel, it must abide in the vine

But the vine is jesus, not judaism
 

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I just told you why. This precident is well established. You choose to disagree at your peril.
RC doctrine is pushing for all-inclusiveness. This has been prophecied as the push toward a global system of FALSE worship is now underway. RC's are at the point of the spear in this regard.

Study the concept of a "remnant" and "little flock".

BTW Satan knows that he is most effective by infiltrating the Church and corrupting it from within.

IMO.....the truly saved will always exit from the RC church (sooner or later), as they, by the Spirit, will know the Truth.
When you say you told me why, are you referring to this?

No. However, that line item IS truth as it has been canonized......not the entire book. Much of Enoch may be truth, but not inpsired. As with any other tome of an historical nature.

In your view, what exactly is the precedent that has been established? Which human groups were the instrument through which it was established?
 

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EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL ACTIFITY by catholic during their prayer

Morning Consecration to Mary

My Queen, My Mother, I offer
myself entirely to thee.
And to show my devotion to thee,
I offer thee this day, my eyes,
my ears, my mouth, my heart,
my whole being without reserve.
Wherefore, good Mother, as I am thine own, keep me, guard me as thy property and possession.
Amen.

I offer the ............MY WHOLE BEING WITHOUT RESERVE


SAY I SALE MY CAR TO YOU, THAN I OFFER THAT CAR WICH I ALREADY SALE TO YOU, TO MR SMITH

THAT IS CRIME, BECAUSE I GIVE THE CAR THAT IS YOURS. YOU ALREADY PAY FOR IT.

WE CHRISTIAN IS BELONG TO JESUS, JESUS PAY IN ADVANCE WITH HIS BLOOD, WE NOT BELONG TO OUR SELVE ANY MORE. WHY CATHOLIC OFFER THEY WHOLE BEING TO MARY?

I may wrong, that may not crime, because catholic never sale theirselve to Jesus.
 
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Matthew 23: 8 But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. 9 Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.


Yet there are teachers in the church


1 Corinthians 12: 28 God has set some in the assembly: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracle workers, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, and various kinds of languages.


And we call Abraham father

Romans 4: 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.


Matthew 4: 23 Jesus went about in all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the Good News of the Kingdom, and healing every disease and every sickness among the people.


Someone who goes around teaching is a teacher.
Amen using the the things seen temporal healing to show the work of the unseen eternal things of God the gospel

I think we should be careful how we hear or say we hear .The power of life and death is in the tongue of God revealed in His word . We have a lifetime to learn according to his loving commandment as we do study in order to seek His approval not seen. He promises if he has begun the god work of teaching in us he will finish it as do do seek the daily bread of His revealed will. . .

The commandment is to call no man on corrupted earth Teacher, Rabi one is in heaven not seen.

I am not saying there are no teachers that God moves as moved ones or sent ones with the gospel But rather I am trying to define because of the warning of antichrists (legion) that are here all around the world. As another kind of teacher. .. that seeks to destroy the one faith coming from our unseen eternal God. .

Makes me wonder when he does come on the last day will he find His faith working in the hearts of men. . or like in the days of Noah mans thoughts evil continually with no sabbath rest as those who walk by sight. (no faith) .

What I think the Spirit that dwells in us is saying . He is the teacher in that way we call no man on earth teacher .If its truth it belongs to him .he will not share that glory with courted hands.

Remember God is not serve by human hands the things seen ,he can use a unbeliever moving them to bring the gospel /

Like with Paul and Timothy. Suffering in pains of birth until Christ was formed in Timothy .The rebirth is never attributed to the corrupted hands of mankind.

If we seek to take credit (self-edification. . . deeds of the Nicolaitanes) for the work he miraculously works in us . . . we can fall and like the Nicolaitanes who were called to repent by a living hope returning to our first love. (faith)This is when we first believed God not seen . They we on the verge of looking to their teacher Nicole as if he was our father in heaven the unseen source of faith. It seems they repented. possibly Nicole also.

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; (believe God) or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God Revelation 2 :4-7
 

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I never read a verse that Peter in Rome. President Trump in Washington, news paper mention it million time. I believe it also in the official document.

Bible is official document, why never mention Peter, the president of apostle in Rome et all?

You say :"must be Peter successor" why?
And do you believe must be Paul successor too?
The Bible isn't written like a newspaper, imo.

I didn't say "must be Peter successor".
Peter may or may not have been in Rome. It doesn't follow from either condition that Peter had no successor.

I'll try to put it more simply.
Maybe Peter was in Rome. There may have been a successor, or there may not have been.

Maybe Peter wasn't in Rome. There may have been a successor, or there may not have been.
 

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Hearing the Gospel, repenting and receiving Jesus for Who He Is....Lord and God, and persevering in faith is the NARROW WAY to salvation. This repentance and knowledge OF JESUS itself is a gift of God to begin with.

Are you suggesting a different way, a different door, another gospel?
No, there is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ.
But some people have never heard the name Jesus, or what they have heard about Jesus is so inaccurate as to be practically the same as not hearing.

What then? Are they automatically condemned to hell, or do they have the possibility of heaven?
Catholics say there is a possibility of heaven, I'm not sure about the Eastern Orthodox, and a lot of Protestants also say there is a possibility of heaven.

How God will accomplish this is a mystery, imo.
 

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Not mention in the Bible

It say guard give him permission to have metting with the Jews, why not Christian?

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

This verse tell us how generous the guard was they let the meeting from morning till evening
I believe it is mentioned in the Bible.
Acts 28: 16 When we entered into Rome, the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard, but Paul was allowed to stay by himself with the soldier who guarded him.

Maybe the guard thought that a large group of Christians, who would be Paul's friends, would be too dangerous.
But a group of Jewish leaders, who were suspicious of Paul already, would be less of a problem.
 

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Well, to be real I would ask if Catholics are even saved with what they believe?

Are Catholics saved? Do Catholics go to heaven? It depends. If the question is “are there saved Catholics?” then the answer is “yes.” If the question is “will a person go to heaven if he or she holds to the official Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation?” the answer is “no.”

Being close to the truth is dangerous and it will not save you, only Jesus can save you and you don't have to go through and anyone else.
Hi knowhim, welcome to CC!
A question I like to ponder is how the Spirit guides us into all truth. Is it each one of us individually? Or as a group?
 

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I never say that, but your publication say Christian was discriminate Jews and did force conversion.

Because that document was publish by Vatican so I believe the word Christian mean catholic.
Catholics don't want to discriminate against Jews or force Jews to convert.

As I understand it, Catholic evangelism basically consists of having church services that are open to the public and things like television and internet broadcasts.

And both Jews and gentiles are invited to attend, watch, listen in, etc.
 

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Not to convert and not and not allow catholic masses are 2 different statement

That's true! But there's a lot of overlap, imo. From what I can see of Catholic evangelism in most places now, it's basically opening the doors of the church and saying, "come on in and check it out".

And that invitation is for everyone, Jew and gentile.


John 1: 46 Nathanael said to him, "Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him,

"Come and see."


It posdible Jews voluntarily not because some body make effort to convert.
I don't understand what you are saying there.
 

Dan_473

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To my knowledge bible say no salvation apart from Christ.

Catholic believe no salvation apart from Catholic Church because the real church must be under Peter successor.
I believe Catholics say that everyone who has had a trinitarian baptism is a member of the church.
 

Dan_473

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You believe Paul mean the word root is judaism?

Jesus talking about branch can noe bear fruit of itsel, it must abide in the vine

But the vine is jesus, not judaism
I'm not sure if Judaism is the right word, but Paul is definitely saying that the route is physical Israel, imo.

Romans 11: 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh, and may save some of them.
 

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Amen using the the things seen temporal healing to show the work of the unseen eternal things of God the gospel
Thus, Jesus is a really truly good teacher!