That could be argued from John 20:22
When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Mathias didn’t yet or the other men also present in the upper room, but the eleven
Judas Iscariot will sit in throne and judge Israel?
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That could be argued from John 20:22
When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Mathias didn’t yet or the other men also present in the upper room, but the eleven
if you think the appointment of Matthias was gumball machine and that God did not hear the Apostles Prayers. I love you to it.
Paul himself said in 1cor 15 that He was th least of the Apostles born out of time but he was what he was.
That's what I mean by indwelt...but I suppose I can see how that could be viewed a bit differently.
Both of them were called by God their work was different it is said in Church History he was stoned to death. he was most likely at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and saw the risen Lord. Paul said that many up to 500 saw Jesus after the resurrection. I would not be so fast to dismiss him.
You're right...And praise God for his Grace upon Paul, the chief of sinners.
The risen Lord appeared even to Paul, the least of the apostles. This is not a reference to gradation within the apostolate, for elsewhere he can say, ‘I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles” ’ (2 Cor. 11:5). In this spirit he could resist even Peter (Gal. 2:11). What Paul means is that his character as a persecutor had made him the least of them all; indeed, he was not worthy to be an apostle at all. Paul holds firmly to two things. The one is the high dignity attaching to his position as an apostle, as we see from several passages in his writings (chapter 9). The apostolate is the highest office in the church, and Paul is an apostle in the fullest sense, because Christ called him to it. The other is his profound sense of personal unworthiness. He is the chief of sinners (1 Tim. 1:15). He is not worthy to be an apostle, for he has persecuted that church that is the church of God.
I'm not fast to dismiss anything. I'm also not fast to accept anything.
For example: "he was most likely...." is something I'm not fast to accept.
You see all the blue text in my posts? I give a substantiation of Scripture for nearly every principle. I can tell when people don't read them. Its unfortunate
Matthias saw Christ risen. When the Eleven go about finding someone to replace Judas the Bible states that they needed someone that had journeyed with them since the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist and that also witnessed the resurrection and Jesus being taken up to heaven (Acts 1:22.) The two people they found to fulfill this requirement were Matthias and Joseph aka Barsabus. Matthias is then chosen after the remaining Eleven inquire of the Lord.
If that is so, then he still would have 2 more requirements to meet to be an Apostle
Matthias was an apostle and also one of the Twelve.
There can be more than twelve apostles at a time, but the Twelve have an additional sort of role as the spiritual patriarchs of Israel. They are akin to the twelve sons of Jacob, the physical patriarchs of Israel.
they prayed and asked God to help them. Are you assuming at the very start of the church the Apostles did not hear from God? Or they were not empowered to do the will of God? Raising the dead , healing the sick and starting churches I guess they were no able to know if God called Matthias?
I understand the significance of the Twelve. What you said in addition to the decor of New Jerusalem (12 foundation stones on which are written the names of the 12 apostles). Its pretty neat the way that God will design it!
I have already addresses this in post #56 and #59. In addition I'll point out that The Holy Spirit could come upon people temporarily under the Old Covenant to accomplish God's will. This happened during Jesus' earthly ministry with the 12 apostles. Between the ascension of Jesus and the descension of the Holy Spirit there was no power or divine direction available. This is why Jesus said to wait for the Holy Spirit.
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When I was considering this subject (Matthias vs Paul as Jesus' replacement for Judas), I discovered something that could be profound. If I'm wrong about this, then I think the name "Matthias" is significant. In Hebrew his name is actually called "Methuselah" meaning "in his death it shall come" or "his death shall bring"....sounds like a good match for the situation at hand. Think about it, Judas' death brings about the need for a replacement.
When I was considering this subject (Matthias vs Paul as Jesus' replacement for Judas), I discovered something that could be profound. If I'm wrong about this, then I think the name "Matthias" is significant. In Hebrew his name is actually called "Methuselah" meaning "in his death it shall come" or "his death shall bring"....sounds like a good match for the situation at hand. Think about it, Judas' death brings about the need for a replacement.
Paul came to my thoughts as well. Paul actually did make the claim that everything he wrote, said, preached came directly to him from Jesus Himself. And since we always include Paul as being 1 of the 12 Apostles in the Book of Acts, makes sense to choose him as well. And like the first 12 Disciples, Jesus hand picked Saul/Paul to be a vessel like the other remaining 11.
And yes, there is Mattias, but he basically is a one time mention. You don't read that he, like the others, preached, taught, and nowhere is he included in the Roman archives of the Disciples killed by Nero/Titus. You definitely know Peter was boiled and hung upside down and Paul's exit was brutal. and there are the others but John the Beloved. I wonder what Mattias actually did in the role of Judas? Was he the money keeper/purse holder?