Is Genesis History?

[JamOn]

I probably described it wrong. But standing water normally won't allow growth. If you have specific water plants but they would need to be on the surface. but as you said turn to muck, mud, hardened is not the recipe for life and growth. When you end up with muck, mud, and hardness you are not able to date it accurately and the appearance won't look like it's only been submerged 6 months, but more like 60 years.

That’s ok and I can agree just the looks of things doesn’t tell a story

 

[JamOn]

I’m not saying this is how the flood happened but the video gives just as good of a explanation as the Mr. Tackett video, and in my opinion it is a bit more plausible than the Tackett video.

 

[JamOn]

I fully expected the thumbs down CS1, I’m getting to know the pattern, the laugh told me a lot.

 

[JohnR7]

Why? In order to understand Ancient Hebrew it still needs to be filtered through modern English thought.

First we look at who the Bible was written for. The original purpose and intent. Right now this is passover and this virus has a lot to do with the first passover. Second we look at the message that God has for us today. It is difficult to use the Bible to predict the future. It is a lot easier to look back then it is to look forward.

 

[JohnR7]

I’m not saying this is how the flood happened but the video gives just as good of a explanation as the Mr. Tackett video, and in my opinion it is a bit more plausible than the Tackett video.

He needs to study plate tectonics. That would explain a lot of his questions. Kat Kerr talks about a place in Heaven called Creation Lab where people will go and all of this will be explained to them.

 

[JohnR7]

the words make have a deep meaning to them

The words of God are infinite and so are the letter. We could spend our whole life to study the first word in the Bible, even the first letter. When we understand the beginning we understand everything that follows the beginning. I try to write short concise statements. But to fully explain one of my sentences would take a whole book.

 

[JohnR7]

The power of water can do quite the amazing things rather in short duration or long I think.

I am amazed with river rocks and now I have my wife interested in playing with them. Because of the way the river forms the rocks they are very easy to work with and to balance. I put a little glue on them so they stay together longer. But sooer or later they will end up a pile of rocks. Although some of the Jericho wall is still standing after all of these years.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The evidence would be looking at all the possiblity of how the canyons might have been formed. the video and the link you sent me, mentions nothing about glacier receding creating raging water runoff. the little Colorado river produces 500,000 tons of sediment each day it like liquid sand paper, if a glacier was melting and receding not far from the area it’s going to produce a lot of run off carry a lot more sediment than the current run off of the river today. the video below say some 20,000 yrs that’s not set in stone, but a glacier can melt fast and produce a run off that scourges the land vastly, leaving behind canyons and lakes and other features of the landscape.

wow man

Who cares about the glacier runnoff. Yeah MAYBE that is a possibility. But to discount what I showed you as even a possibility. Well that just shows you are not open to ALL possibilities

Again, The colorado river, would have had to run UPHILL in order for it to form the canyon. If you look at the entrance of the river to the canyon area. And the exit, you find that what is today the grand canyon is a higher plane. The water would have had to MAGICALLY run uphill. Cut a path in higher elevations. to flow to the other side. An impossible feet.

But if this is the theory you want to base your knowledge on, And ignore the other theory which is not only more plausible. but has a modern day example (the mini canyon formed by Mt St Helens exploding) well then more power to you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well if I dug a hole and fill it with water it would not erode anything the water would need to flow somewhere else to pull the sediment to erode. standing water in hole doesn’t erode maybe a tad bit to the bottom but the walls become hard caked mud or clay not scars of erosion.

your right, And if you take a river, flow it up to land that is higher than its elevation. At most you would get a large lake. as the water has no place to flow. Not a canyon

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will agree finding layers of dirt doesn’t tell time, on a Bible stance no one knows how many layers God placed for the dry land to appear

Or maybe he put none

Sedimentary layers are made by water flowing and depositing sediment as it flows.

 

[crossnote]

First we look at who the Bible was written for. The original purpose and intent. Right now this is passover and this virus has a lot to do with the first passover. Second we look at the message that God has for us today. It is difficult to use the Bible to predict the future. It is a lot easier to look back then it is to look forward.

It appears you didn’t understand my point.
In order to understand any ancient language it has to pass through our modern thought filters thus losing much of the original intent in the process.

 

[JamOn]

wow man

Who cares about the glacier runnoff. Yeah MAYBE that is a possibility. But to discount what I showed you as even a possibility. Well that just shows you are not open to ALL possibilities

Again, The colorado river, would have had to run UPHILL in order for it to form the canyon. If you look at the entrance of the river to the canyon area. And the exit, you find that what is today the grand canyon is a higher plane. The water would have had to MAGICALLY run uphill. Cut a path in higher elevations. to flow to the other side. An impossible feet.

But if this is the theory you want to base your knowledge on, And ignore the other theory which is not only more plausible. but has a modern day example (the mini canyon formed by Mt St Helens exploding) well then more power to you.

ok I will agree It’s a possibility but it wouldn’t be my first pick, about that backwards running water. if like you said it would take a river running backward to carve out a Canyon then which way is the river flowing today? though what is backwards on a sphere earth?

A melting huge ice sheet can sit on any elevation

 

[JamOn]

Or maybe he put none

Sedimentary layers are made by water flowing and depositing sediment as it flows.

You are right so the earth might be a lot older, in genesis 7 the flood is recorded as a filling process in stages nothing gives the impression of raging waters, it took 40 days to fill and over 90% of the time for the water to recede so it didn’t go zap and it was gone it took awhile for the water to dry up, a slower process than the filling part and that was in stages.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ok I will agree It’s a possibility but it wouldn’t be my first pick, about that backwards running water. if like you said it would take a river running backward to carve out a Canyon then which way is the river flowing today? though what is backwards on a sphere earth?

A melting huge ice sheet can sit on any elevation

1. it did not run backwards, as I said, It would have had to run uphill to carve out.
2. Why is the river there today? because if followed the route of the canyon that was formed before the river, or while the river was being re-routed.

Thats the only feasible explanation I can come up with.

 

[JamOn]

1. it did not run backwards, as I said, It would have had to run uphill to carve out.
2. Why is the river there today? because if followed the route of the canyon that was formed before the river, or while the river was being re-routed.

Thats the only feasible explanation I can come up with.

I know a huge glacier melting could not had run off to formed it, there is another possibility a earth quake could open up the ground wider

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are right so the earth might be a lot older, in genesis 7 the flood is recorded as a filling process in stages nothing gives the impression of raging waters, it took 40 days to fill and over 90% of the time for the water to recede so it didn’t go zap and it was gone it took awhile for the water to dry up, a slower process than the filling part and that was in stages.

1. The fountains of the great deep BURST open, and the heavens opened up (the rain fell because of the fountains of the deep opening)
2. it rained so hard the whole earth was covered in 40 days? or was it sooner, we are not told. only that it rained for 40 days
3. The height of the flood was 15 cubits above the highest mountain on earth. Now since you like science, you know that if the water is 15 cubits about the tallest mountain, It could not be a local flood. Because of the way water flows.. It would be a worldwide flood
4. Considered the above facts. And how deep the water got in such a sort amount of time, It is easily understood as the waters were rushing across the earth, and all of the tidal flows which would have been caused by such massive storms all over the earth. The sedimentary layers found all over the earth were formed at that time. That the earth today is far different than the earth that was. In fact. Peter mentions this in his his writings

2 Peter 3: 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

oh and by the way,, The grand canyon theory I showed you This was caused by the slow drying process. Where water was trapped in basins, We call them lakes. And the lakebed eventually broke, like a damn, Which is what is one theory that caused the Grand Canyon to form.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know a huge glacier melting could not had run off to formed it, there is another possibility a earth quake could open up the ground wider

1. If a glacier melt created it, We would see canyons all over the world caused by the same
2. No evidence of an earthquake forming it.

 

[JamOn]

1. The fountains of the great deep BURST open, and the heavens opened up (the rain fell because of the fountains of the deep opening)
2. it rained so hard the whole earth was covered in 40 days? or was it sooner, we are not told. only that it rained for 40 days
3. The height of the flood was 15 cubits above the highest mountain on earth. Now since you like science, you know that if the water is 15 cubits about the tallest mountain, It could not be a local flood. Because of the way water flows.. It would be a worldwide flood
4. Considered the above facts. And how deep the water got in such a sort amount of time, It is easily understood as the waters were rushing across the earth, and all of the tidal flows which would have been caused by such massive storms all over the earth. The sedimentary layers found all over the earth were formed at that time. That the earth today is far different than the earth that was. In fact. Peter mentions this in his his writings

2 Peter 3: 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

oh and by the way,, The grand canyon theory I showed you This was caused by the slow drying process. Where water was trapped in basins, We call them lakes. And the lakebed eventually broke, like a damn, Which is what is one theory that caused the Grand Canyon to form.

No you didn’t go directly in the Bible on the process of the flood that is measured in stages. the ark was lifted but not enough for it to float out to sea, then the hills was covered then finally the mountains

Gen 7
17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

 

[JamOn]

1. If a glacier melt created it, We would see canyons all over the world caused by the same
2. No evidence of an earthquake forming it.

Really huh I’ve never seen a glacier on the equator, what kind of evidence does a earth quake leave behind?

Now I have said what you have said could be a possibility now who is not open to other possibilities.

you harped on me not being open and you stick to your guns interesting, seems this is turning into your right and I’m totally wrong on everything

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No you didn’t go directly in the Bible on the process of the flood that is measured in stages. the ark was lifted but not enough for it to float out to sea, then the hills was covered then finally the mountains

Gen 7
17And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

the passage you quoted supports what I said.

by the way, I am retired US navy/Coast guard. So I please understand I know the science and experience of how ships act in the water and in storms. as I have been in them