Catholicism vs Protestantism

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Jackson123

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Dan_473 said:
Do you believe you have the ability to judge the thoughts and intentions of other people's hearts?
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By the action.
I read an article about what is standard law to determine criminal action.
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Actus reus / guilty act and men

A man accidentally droop a glass and broke is actus reus/ guilty act, but not guilty mind, he not intend it

Issuing law that attack Bible teaching are both actus reus because issuing is an action and men's rea
They know what is mean, they are not stupid or accidentally issued that law
 
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crossnote said:
I was making a point between knowing about 'a' creator and personally knowing 'thee' (one and only) Creator.
There is only One Creator and we are to know Him personally. Religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Shinto, Gaia etc., may acknowledge that there is a creator but they can only come into a personal relationship with that Creator through being born again...and that only through coming to Jesus as a sinner confessing one's sins and receiving Him as Savior.
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Muslim believe there is creator but they don't believe Jesus is the creator

From Quran I learn they believe the creator is the enemy of real god, because the dreator they believe, teach them Jesus not god and not die on the cross. and who is he? Seem to me sound like lucifer
 
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Jackson123 said:
Muslim believe there is creator but they don't believe Jesus is the creator

From Quran I learn they believe the creator is the enemy of real god, because the dreator they believe, teach them Jesus not god and not die on the cross. and who is he? Seem to me sound like lucifer
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Right, they don't believe Jesus is Creator because they don't know Jesus. They are still blinded by sin.
 
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Dan_473 said:
I don't know about Muhammad, since he's long dead. But Muslims today, yes. But that doesn't mean that what Muhammad wrote, and everything that Muslims believe, is true.
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Muhammed did not write anything because he was illiterate. Now that is a can of worms….
 
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Dan_473 said:
Yes, Muslims believe that the Quran came from God. But that is one of the many things that they believe that is false.
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I need to clarify what you are saying; do you believe that Allah is YHVH? If not I don't understand why you are arguing with Jackson. What am I missing here?
 
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Dan_473 said:
I disagree very strongly!
Muslims most certainly tell lies about God. As a group, Muslims are not aware that these are lies.
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You said muslims lies about God. Similarly, these muslims can also claimed that we christians lie about God as well. Get my message?

The issue is how to convince the muslims that they are wrong about who is the true God? Furthermore, you cant convert a muslim (in muslims countries) because it is unlawful. Both you (christian) and the muslim whom you are trying to convert will be fined or even jailed under islam laws, understand?
 
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Jackson123 said:
I don't think ccc 841 have anything to do with hylomorphism

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hylemorphism) is a philosophical theory developed by Aristotle, which conceives being (ousia) as a compound of matter and form. The word is a 19th-century term formed from the Greek words ὕλη hyle, "wood, matter", and μορφή, morphē, "form".

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Being is compound of matter and form

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Matter is everything around you. Atoms and compounds are all made of very small parts of matter. Those atoms go on to build the things you see and touch every day. Matter is defined as anything that has mass and takes up space (it has volume).
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Aristotle is not Christian. Being like human being is compound body an soul. Is soul matter?

Is soul have a mass? Can you weigh the soul?

I don't think Christian must use world philosophy to interprate bible
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The CCC isn't the Bible. It's okay to use a dictionary when reading something like the CCC, isn't it? And the dictionary isn't necessarily written by Christians.
 
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Jackson123 said:
What do you mean by Muslim understand their spiritual situation.
And what is that mean in your last sentence?
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Well, it's like this
1 Corinthians 2: 14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So Muslims are not able to understand their spiritual situation. They think that the God who created heaven and earth also wrote the Quran. But they are wrong.

You can ask them about the God that they worship, but they cannot give you a full and complete truthful answer!


Certainly Muslim define who god is base on Quran. And god teaching is Quran that say Jesus not god
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Right, but we certainly don't have to use the Muslim definition of God, do we?
 
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Jackson123 said:
By the action.
I read an article about what is standard law to determine criminal action.
2 requairement

Actus reus / guilty act and men

A man accidentally droop a glass and broke is actus reus/ guilty act, but not guilty mind, he not intend it

Issuing law that attack Bible teaching are both actus reus because issuing is an action and men's rea
They know what is mean, they are not stupid or accidentally issued that law
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I disagree that you have that ability.
1 Corinthians 2: 11 For who has knowledge of the things of a man but the spirit of the man which is in him?

(I agree that in legal situations, a jury may be asked to try to judge the intent. But we are not in a legal situation here.)
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
I need to clarify what you are saying; do you believe that Allah is YHVH? If not I don't understand why you are arguing with Jackson. What am I missing here?
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Thanks for asking!
No, I wouldn't say that Allah is YHVH.

What Jackson and I are discussing, as I understand it, is this: if a person says that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, does that preclude that person from being a Christian? If I understand Jackson right, he says that it does.

To me the question of same God or different God is kind of a boring philosophical issue. When are two people talking about the same thing, or two different things? I think we talked earlier about Ford trucks. When is a Ford truck no longer a Ford truck?

Suppose two people are talking about the God who created heaven and earth, let's call them Joe and Fred.Are they talking about the same God? Sounds the same so far.
Then one says they believe God is a trinity, and the other says they believe God is a unity.

Now suppose two other people are watching Joe and Fred, let's call them Mike and Sue. Mike says that Joe and Fred are talking about two different gods, Sue says they are talking about the same God, one of them is just wrong about the nature of God.

Mike and then says that Sue cannot be a Christian. Is Mike right to say that?

I say that Mike is not right to say that. Dividing or breaking fellowship over the philosophical issue of same God/different God isn't good. Of course, we can disagree with other Christians about many things, but this is not something to break fellowship over! Or saying someone cannot be a Christian.

If I understand my brother Jackson right, he would say that Mike is right to say what he says about Sue.
 
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Dan_473 said:
Good! Then it sounds like we agree.
People who say that Muslims worship the same God as Christians can be Christians.
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No, I am not agree. People that say Muslim worship true god attack jesus
 
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Dan_473 said:
I disagree that you have that ability.
1 Corinthians 2: 11 For who has knowledge of the things of a man but the spirit of the man which is in him?

(I agree that in legal situations, a jury may be asked to try to judge the intent. But we are not in a legal situation here.)
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Bible instruct us to test every spirit
1 john 4

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
 
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