The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

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wolfwint

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I can describe very detailed views if you shelve your arguing. And try to learn the Historic Christian view.
I dont want argue. But if you only give other people View, instead your View about what you are seeing it is not very convincend.
 
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I dont want argue. But if you only give other people View, instead your View about what you are seeing it is not very convincend.
Here's a sample of recognizing the spiritual kingdom through scripture. If Jesus is God, he already rules the nations with a rod of iron. If he is the Lord of armies (hosts), then he is behind every war history knows of. If David's Throne is God's Throne as proclaimed in the OT, Jesus rules the world from David's throne in Heavenly Jerusalem above......
 
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Post some scriptures where the disciples, before the cross, preached the gospel of salvation. Thanks.
They preached "only Believe" in Christ without the details yet to be fulfilled. And also preached to the saved, causing them to trust in Jesus as the Messiah. That is, Born again Jews, announcing the arrival of the kingdom. Peter preached the full gospel of the Kingdom and Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. Along with his present reign from David's throne. But nobody today except a few believes the gospel of the kingdom, and yet think they are saved.
 
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You simply ignored my post, didn't you? That's called *WILFUL BLINDNESS*.
Here is what I said:
AT PRESENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INTERNAL AND INVISIBLE

"Internal and invisible" means spiritual. But you have no clue about the rest of the story.
But it rules out the Pharisee's physical kingdom. So you reject Jesus' Kingdom and follow theirs instead.
 

John146

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Here's a sample of recognizing the spiritual kingdom through scripture. If Jesus is God, he already rules the nations with a rod of iron. If he is the Lord of armies (hosts), then he is behind every war history knows of. If David's Throne is God's Throne as proclaimed in the OT, Jesus rules the world from David's throne in Heavenly Jerusalem above......
The kingdoms of this world are under Satan’s power and he can give it to whoever he wants. God has given him this power for the time being until the return of Jesus as King.

Luke 4
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

This is definitely a future declaration.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 

John146

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They preached "only Believe" in Christ without the details yet to be fulfilled. And also preached to the saved, causing them to trust in Jesus as the Messiah. That is, Born again Jews, announcing the arrival of the kingdom. Peter preached the full gospel of the Kingdom and Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. Along with his present reign from David's throne. But nobody today except a few believes the gospel of the kingdom, and yet think they are saved.
You didn’t post any scriptures to show this. Whatever it was that they preached, wouldn’t save anyone today.
 
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You didn’t post any scriptures to show this. Whatever it was that they preached, wouldn’t save anyone today.
Read the 4 Gospels. Read Acts 2, it's all there.
 
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The kingdoms of this world are under Satan’s power and he can give it to whoever he wants. God has given him this power for the time being until the return of Jesus as King.

Luke 4
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

This is definitely a future declaration.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Part of seeing the Spiritual kingdom is in knowing Satan works for God and employs his wickedness in ensnaring false believers and wreaking havoc, plagues and such, on the world.
 

John146

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Read the 4 Gospels. Read Acts 2, it's all there.
Lol, just one verse to show what they preached before the cross. It wouldn’t save anyone today.
 

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Part of seeing the Spiritual kingdom is in knowing Satan works for God and employs his wickedness in ensnaring false believers and wreaking havoc, plagues and such, on the world.
This is the way the Lord reigns as King of Kings? 😂

Notice the Revelation passage when, in the future, the Lord is given the kingdoms of this world.
 
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Lol, just one verse to show what they preached before the cross. It wouldn’t save anyone today.
The new birth saves. It hears the gospel as it is revealed. Abraham heard the same gospel Paul and Peter preached. Only not as detailed. Unless a person is already saved, they cannot hear the gospel in any meaningful way. They think it is foolish.
 
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This is the way the Lord reigns as King of Kings? 😂

Notice the Revelation passage when, in the future, the Lord is given the kingdoms of this world.
This is where Jesus receives his own kingdom.

Jesus now sits on David's Throne since his resurrection/ascension Acts 2:29–33. This is the "kingdom" symbolised by the Jewish "Millennial Kingdom" Revelation 20:2 that Jesus said was "at hand" Matthew 3:2, "within you" Luke 17:21, "not of this world" John 18:36 and "comes without observation" Luke 17:20, being spiritual in nature.

And one must be born again to see it John 3:3. It is the kingdom many still look for physically in Premillennialism and Dispensationalism even though it has been here unnoticed and in heaven since Pentecost 33 AD. Where Jesus remains on David's Throne/God's Throne 1 Chronicles 29:23 until the resurrection of the dead at the end of the world 1 Corinthians 15:21–26.

““To him who overcomes will I grant to sit with Me on My throne [future], as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne [presently in heaven]. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”” (Revelation 3:21–22)

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28)

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated on it. From His face the earth and the heavens fled away, and no place was found for them.” (Revelation 20:11)

““When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.” (Matthew 25:31)

“The victor: I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also won the victory and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Revelation 3:21 (HCSB)

Kingdom of God in time and later in eternity
 

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Here's a sample of recognizing the spiritual kingdom through scripture. If Jesus is God, he already rules the nations with a rod of iron. If he is the Lord of armies (hosts), then he is behind every war history knows of. If David's Throne is God's Throne as proclaimed in the OT, Jesus rules the world from David's throne in Heavenly Jerusalem above......
Well believe it, like many others. I believe it will be in Future. :)
 
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Well believe it, like many others. I believe it will be in Future. :)
If you could see the symbols as symbols, and look for what they symbolize, you might see them. But the symbols will never become a reality.
 

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If you could see the symbols as symbols, and look for what they symbolize, you might see them. But the symbols will never become a reality.
I believe not in Symbols. I believe in the word of God.
 

wolfwint

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But you cannot hear him unless you know how to read symbols.
What God says and want to say me, his Spirit open to me. I dont need to hear him for to understand him. This has nothing to with Symbols which are interpretet from people, and sometimes wrong.
 

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The new birth saves. It hears the gospel as it is revealed. Abraham heard the same gospel Paul and Peter preached. Only not as detailed. Unless a person is already saved, they cannot hear the gospel in any meaningful way. They think it is foolish.
If Abraham was born again, he would have been absent from the body and present with the Lord upon death.
 

John146

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This is where Jesus receives his own kingdom.

Jesus now sits on David's Throne since his resurrection/ascension Acts 2:29–33. This is the "kingdom" symbolised by the Jewish "Millennial Kingdom" Revelation 20:2 that Jesus said was "at hand" Matthew 3:2, "within you" Luke 17:21, "not of this world" John 18:36 and "comes without observation" Luke 17:20, being spiritual in nature.

And one must be born again to see it John 3:3. It is the kingdom many still look for physically in Premillennialism and Dispensationalism even though it has been here unnoticed and in heaven since Pentecost 33 AD. Where Jesus remains on David's Throne/God's Throne 1 Chronicles 29:23 until the resurrection of the dead at the end of the world 1 Corinthians 15:21–26.

““To him who overcomes will I grant to sit with Me on My throne [future], as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne [presently in heaven]. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”” (Revelation 3:21–22)

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28)

“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated on it. From His face the earth and the heavens fled away, and no place was found for them.” (Revelation 20:11)

““When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.” (Matthew 25:31)

“The victor: I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also won the victory and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Revelation 3:21 (HCSB)

Kingdom of God in time and later in eternity
I’m pretty sur David sat on an earthly, physical throne in Jerusalem located on this earth in Israel.

Are the disciples judging th3 twelve nations? Nope, not yet. Why? Because the Lord is not sitting upon His throne yet.
 
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I’m pretty sur David sat on an earthly, physical throne in Jerusalem located on this earth in Israel.

Are the disciples judging th3 twelve nations? Nope, not yet. Why? Because the Lord is not sitting upon His throne yet.
He did once upon a time. Peter says (Acts 2) the throne is in Heaven where Jesus rules since his resurrection.