creationist debate?

[miknik5]

A Jew is not a Jew...and circumsions is NOT outwardly...and it isn´t by a man to begin with..
THE true circumcision is done inwardly upon the heart, by the hand of GOD...

A jew simply meant one circumcised/covenanted/marked/set apart to GOD...

There are many who are Jews
There are many who are Hebrews
There are many who belong to Israel

And all these are not physically born of that nation, but never the less, in GOD´S eyes, belong to THE TRUE ISRAEL of GOD

 

[miknik5]

If you believe in the Neanderthal, then you believe in Evolution, because a Neanderthal is an evolved state from the ape.

The Neanderthal is the evolved state of an ape? You mean to tell me that God started with the Neanderthal who devolved to an ape?

And I don´t believe there was another form of creation which included the neanderthal and dinosaurs, sir.

This is why I asked you what would have been the purpose of the neanderthal to begin with...who was similar to a man...
But you have offered your own opinion to fix the puzzle to fit your theory, that a Neanderthal was a higher state of an ape.

Please provide source document that can support this

 

[biker]

Yet Scripture plainly states that it had never rained before the flood, so it would seem the atmosphere did change at that time.

Genesis 2:5

Whether God brings water up from the Earth or from above is the same concept.

 

[biker]

The Neanderthal is the evolved state of an ape? You mean to tell me that God started with the Neanderthal who devolved to an ape?

You're not even reading what I posted. Now I know why we are not discussing the same thing. Reread what I said. There NEVER was a Neanderthal, to believe in one is to believe in Evolution!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is true as well. But no one knows when the American Continents split from the African and European Continents, so he could have just been going in small patterns to achieve as such.

while true

I think we can know when they split.

I believe it happened right here

Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

The word broken up means to cleave or to split open.. I believe this is where the plates that we see today were split and the one continent was broken up into what we see today as multiple continents

And this splitting open of the earth caused the waters of the subteranian deep to burst out. and this is where the waters of the flood came from

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And that was to an immediate audience. It seems however, after the "Tower of Babel," due to new languages it would become more difficult to do as Noah did.

I think God understood this and made provisions. Don't you? We see even when God called abraham that people all over the land where followers to God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Would not matter since God numbered the years of man to 120 in Genesis 6:3

How many people do you know in the last 200 years who made it to 120?

 

[miknik5]

There is a parallel to the water destruction and the fire destruction
Further, after the flood, GOD said, never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood...
The earth today, as Peter stated, is saved for destruction, not by water, but by fire

 

[biker]

How many people do you know in the last 200 years who made it to 120?

No one personally, but I read where a handful made it 118. But atmosphere has nothing to do with life span in this context when we know SIN shortens your lifespan.

 

[miknik5]

GOD confused the languages, in the account of the tower of babel, because men became enamored with the workings of their own hands and thought by their own efforts, they could build their own towers unto the presence of GOD.

They simply forgot GOD...sir...and looked to their own works....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


This is clearly speaking of Genesis 1:1 to 1:2.

The Earth did not perish in Noah's Flood!

Well yeah the earth did perish

The earth now is post flood earth.

The earth did not perish in 1: 2

Gen 1: 2, is the original state of creation, before God took what he created and put it in order. starting on day 1.

There was no life on earth between gen 1: 1 and 1: 2

 

[Magenta]

Whether God brings water up from the Earth or from above is the same concept.

In relation to the atmosphere? I doubt it. Rain coming from clouds clearly denotes a change in the atmosphere.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're not even reading what I posted. Now I know why we are not discussing the same thing. Reread what I said. There NEVER was a Neanderthal, to believe in one is to believe in Evolution!

ok, I see now. even I misunderstood you. Forgive me

 

[biker]

There is a parallel to the water destruction and the fire destruction
Further, after the flood, GOD said, never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood...
The earth today, as Peter stated, is saved for destruction, not by water, but by fire

Exactly, but my point is the Earth did not perish in Noah's Flood.

 

[biker]

In relation to the atmosphere? I doubt it. Rain coming from clouds clearly denotes a change in the atmosphere.

90 percent of water in the atmosphere is produced by evaporation from water bodies. Do we have big bodies of water before Noah? Therefore, the atmosphere was the same until water could be evaporated and form clouds. Somewhere, God created a body of water, so the Earth changed, not the atmosphere.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Exactly, but my point is the Earth did not perish in Noah's Flood.

But it did

The earth as Noah knew it was gone, It never returned

If what you say about Gen 1: 2 was true, It would be really no different than the flood..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

90 percent of water in the atmosphere is produced by evaporation from water bodies. Do we have big bodies of water before Noah? Therefore, the atmosphere was the same until water could be evaporated and form clouds. Somewhere, God created a body of water, so the Earth changed, not the atmosphere.

I think we can assume the upper atmosphere was full of water, It would have caused a greenhouse effect. and would be the cause for there to be no need of rain pre-flood.. Otherwise, the whole earth woudl be desert. in fact, there would have been no trees for noah to build the ark.. No food for the animals and large creatures to survive.. In fact. life would have been prety much unbearable

 

[eternally-gratefull]

90 percent of water in the atmosphere is produced by evaporation from water bodies. Do we have big bodies of water before Noah? Therefore, the atmosphere was the same until water could be evaporated and form clouds. Somewhere, God created a body of water, so the Earth changed, not the atmosphere.

Also. This again is what Peter meant in 2 peter 3. That we assume things have always been the same since creation

Today, what you claim is true, But it does not mean that is the way it was preflood.. or at the beginning of creation

 

[biker]

Well yeah the earth did perish

The earth now is post flood earth.

The earth did not perish in 1: 2

Gen 1: 2, is the original state of creation, before God took what he created and put it in order. starting on day 1.

There was no life on earth between gen 1: 1 and 1: 2

If God created things in Generations, He would not have started Earth as a blob. It would have been created when He put it into place.

 

[biker]

I think we can assume the upper atmosphere was full of water, It would have caused a greenhouse effect. and would be the cause for there to be no need of rain pre-flood.. Otherwise, the whole earth woudl be desert. in fact, there would have been no trees for noah to build the ark.. No food for the animals and large creatures to survive.. In fact. life would have been prety much unbearable

God created a mist before then. That is how everything survived. And naturally, the Light He made, the Sun, is the key ingredient to life on Earth.