the disciple whom Jesus loved
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I think God hates us in our sin from birth. But since he is love, he sets his love on the elect. And in time transforms us into lovable people. I think John was one of the mature God could actually love because of the work he did in him. In time all would become that mature and lovable.
It's not easy to be close to someone who knows your inner thoughts, your heart and your sins. Remember when Jesus said that one of them would betray Him? " surely not I" they responded but no one so sure that they could ask Him who it was but John.
John's heart is completely surrendered to Jesus. That's why he is the Beloved.
John's heart is completely surrendered to Jesus. That's why he is the Beloved.
Actually, it was only mentioned in John's own gospel. So it was John who call himself that, he is trying to teach us something there.
20 When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve.
21 And while they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.”
22 They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely you don’t mean me, Lord?”
From Matthew chapter 26.
Then peter motioned to the disciples who I think wasn’t one of the twelve disciples, because after one by one they all ask then peter motions and doesn’t speak.
John 13
23One of His disciples, the one whom Jesus loved, was reclining at His side.
24 So Simon Peter motioned to him to ask Jesus which one He was talking about.
Well I think that for one this is how John refers to himself in his Gospel, a really interesting way of writing as he doesn't refer to himself by name much and keeps the reader wondering whom this beloved disciple is until the very end of the book when he identifies himself.
I think also what makes John very beloved is that John is probably the most blameless of all the apostles, John is very interesting because he is the only one of the 12 apostles that is an eye witness to both the crucifixion and the resurrection. John is quite zealous for the Lord and wants to destroy Jerusalem because they rejected Jesus. John is the only one of the 12 that didn't get martyred, though according to an extrabiblical tradition the Romans did try. John is the answer to the cliché question of "whatever happened to Mary?" The answer being that John took care of her until she died. John is also perhaps the youngest of the 12.
John and Peter have a hilarious almost brother-like rivalry throughout the Gospels. John and Peter, along with their biological brothers James and Andrew are called by Jesus at the same time. John and Peter race eachother to the holy sepulcher, one Gospel claims Peter made it there first, John's Gospel claims he made it there first. When Peter is given the prophecy about his own death he wonders what is going to happen to John. They both are witness to the transfiguration. John and Peter then afterwards in Acts team up to testify before the jews and subsequently get beaten publicly for it together.
Finally, John sees and records the full prophecy of the Apocalypse, the penultimate book of all history about the end of all history that has driven countless people insane and of all the books of the Bible could be the most referenced in art and literature. John is very interesting and beloved indeed.
I think also what makes John very beloved is that John is probably the most blameless of all the apostles, John is very interesting because he is the only one of the 12 apostles that is an eye witness to both the crucifixion and the resurrection. John is quite zealous for the Lord and wants to destroy Jerusalem because they rejected Jesus. John is the only one of the 12 that didn't get martyred, though according to an extrabiblical tradition the Romans did try. John is the answer to the cliché question of "whatever happened to Mary?" The answer being that John took care of her until she died. John is also perhaps the youngest of the 12.
John and Peter have a hilarious almost brother-like rivalry throughout the Gospels. John and Peter, along with their biological brothers James and Andrew are called by Jesus at the same time. John and Peter race eachother to the holy sepulcher, one Gospel claims Peter made it there first, John's Gospel claims he made it there first. When Peter is given the prophecy about his own death he wonders what is going to happen to John. They both are witness to the transfiguration. John and Peter then afterwards in Acts team up to testify before the jews and subsequently get beaten publicly for it together.
Finally, John sees and records the full prophecy of the Apocalypse, the penultimate book of all history about the end of all history that has driven countless people insane and of all the books of the Bible could be the most referenced in art and literature. John is very interesting and beloved indeed.
The problem with the John idea is at the last supper one by one they all ask and that doesn’t mean they all ask except John reclining. eliminating John from asking reduces the twelve to eleven minus John who ask.
most blameless have you read on one under the fig tree
John asks also, and Jesus responds. Interestingly enough we also see the John and Peter dynamic here too.
John 13:21-26
21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
What is boggling to me is many don’t think Lazarus could of been a disciple not saying one of the twelve but a disciple nonetheless and also he is the only one in the whole New Testament as mentioned as the one Jesus loved by his sisters. just because twelve was there doesn’t mean no one else was there and I think the two Jesus sent to prepare the meal wasn’t of the twelve
Well certainly Lazarus was a disciple and indeed was loved by Jesus, for Jesus certainly revived him when everyone else thought he was dead. Lazarus though is not the beloved disciple. The beloved disciple, or the disciple whom Jesus loved, is found only in the Gospel of John, and at the very end John identifies this as himself. I think it is just John's peculiar way of writing and telling his story.
John 21:20-24
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
At the end of scripture the question was ask what about him,,, can a person die twice was why that was said in IMO
Well I think it is clear that the others misinterpreted what Jesus said. They thought Jesus was indicating that John wouldn't die, but Jesus did not say that John wouldn't die, he just merely said, "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?"
And as we see from the other books of the Bible, John is pretty much the last one left alive to write the very last book of the Bible, the book of the Apocalypse.
I think because they saw Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead, so naturally that would be a human question what about him will he die also while Jesus is gone.
Well I think it is clear that they simply misinterpreted what Jesus said about John as John indicates.
Though your parallel is fairly interesting though in terms of how the disciples interpret what Jesus says to them. I don't want to digress too far away from the topic of John, but I'll leave off with an interesting quote about Lazarus as it deals with where the conversation has carried and is somewhat related to how the disciples mistook the saying about John tarrying.
John 11:11-15
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
the twelve was a interesting bunch, they misunderstand a lot of things or rather something else. even bending over and looking into a empty tomb wasn’t enough.
the message from the sisters was to Jesus not Jesus and the twelve
early in the morning while there is 12 hours of daylight ahead.
Whereas Matthew's gospel says: They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely you don’t mean me, Lord?”
John did not run for his life afraid to be seen as a follower of Jesus. The women didn't have to worry about that and John would rather die than abandon Jesus as His hour arrived. That John would lay down his life for Jesus proves his great love and is key I think to the reason He wasn't martyrd.