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Peter had a vision individually about doctrine and Paul say he learn from Holy spirit
Acts 10
King James Version
10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.I
The doctrine that adopted by council may not from God, example
I don't believe doctrine salvation by catholic alone
Acts 10
King James Version
10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.I
The doctrine that adopted by council may not from God, example
I don't believe doctrine salvation by catholic alone
This video is a testimony from ex Muslim
This may convince every body tha Muslim not worship Christian god
I will do short translation in English
It start when she want to convert her Christian boy friend to Muslim. After some discussion she have a dream, in her dream she saw her boy friend chat her, and she fell terrible, emotion, angry, then in her dream she say that she will come to the Lord Jesus. It strange, she was Muslim, why she come to Jesus. But after that she feel peace that never happen before, wake up from the dream she start to investigate about who is jesus, she went to church for awhile and she feel it is peace full
Finally she told her mom about her plan to be Baptist, her mom cry and her family ask imam to do rupiah (Muslim ritual,to cast demon Jesus out)
How true God hate jesus and think Jesus as demon?
Ccc841 must consider this ritual before say Muslim worship Christian god
This may convince every body tha Muslim not worship Christian god
I will do short translation in English
It start when she want to convert her Christian boy friend to Muslim. After some discussion she have a dream, in her dream she saw her boy friend chat her, and she fell terrible, emotion, angry, then in her dream she say that she will come to the Lord Jesus. It strange, she was Muslim, why she come to Jesus. But after that she feel peace that never happen before, wake up from the dream she start to investigate about who is jesus, she went to church for awhile and she feel it is peace full
Finally she told her mom about her plan to be Baptist, her mom cry and her family ask imam to do rupiah (Muslim ritual,to cast demon Jesus out)
How true God hate jesus and think Jesus as demon?
Ccc841 must consider this ritual before say Muslim worship Christian god
Well, looking at this verse
Romans 10: 1 Brothers, my heart's desire and my prayer to God is for Israel, that they may be saved. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
Do you agree that Paul is talking about Israel, Jews?
Do you agree that Paul is talking about having a zeal for the true God? Or do you think Paul is saying they have a zeal for a false god?
Romans 10: 1 Brothers, my heart's desire and my prayer to God is for Israel, that they may be saved. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
Do you agree that Paul is talking about Israel, Jews?
Do you agree that Paul is talking about having a zeal for the true God? Or do you think Paul is saying they have a zeal for a false god?
Yes, Paul says that he received the gospel directly from God.
Galatians 1: 11 But I make known to you, brothers, concerning the Good News which was preached by me, that it is not according to man. 12 For neither did I receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came to me through revelation of Jesus Christ.
The book of Acts tends to present a different version of things, a different slant.
People who tend to be Protestant tend to focus on Paul's letters. People who tend to be Catholic or Eastern Orthodox tend to focus on the gospels or the letters of Peter and James.
But notice that later in Galatians Paul says that he visits the apostles in Jerusalem, and they essentially give him a commission to preach the gospel that he had received personally. At least that's one way of looking at it.
Is Peter preaching something new, or taking the same gospel to a different group of people? It looks like a matter of interpretation to me.
I see that the spirit didn't stop with just telling Peter something inside his mind. He goes on to bring about very clear physical signs.
Acts 10: 17 Now while Peter was very perplexed in himself what the vision which he had seen might mean, behold, the men who were sent by Cornelius, having made inquiry for Simon's house, stood before the gate, 18 and called and asked whether Simon, who was surnamed Peter, was lodging there. 19 While Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Behold, three men seek you. 20 But arise, get down, and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."
Including the sign of tongues
Acts 10: 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word.
Then when Peter returns
Acts 11: 2 When Peter had come up to Jerusalem, those who were of the circumcision contended with him.
He doesn't just tell them that the holy Spirit told him to go, he goes on to talk about the signs that he saw while he was there.
17 If then God gave to them the same gift as us, when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I, that I could withstand God?" 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life!"
So sure, if someone says they have received a revelation from the holy Spirit and that claim is then backed up by amazing signs, then that's something worth considering!
Sure, I can understand the problems with the group approach to interpreting scripture.
Suppose we say the God intends everyone to read the Bible for themselves, and he will give them the correct interpretation as they read.
How did that work when most people didn't have Bibles?
Galatians 1: 11 But I make known to you, brothers, concerning the Good News which was preached by me, that it is not according to man. 12 For neither did I receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came to me through revelation of Jesus Christ.
The book of Acts tends to present a different version of things, a different slant.
People who tend to be Protestant tend to focus on Paul's letters. People who tend to be Catholic or Eastern Orthodox tend to focus on the gospels or the letters of Peter and James.
But notice that later in Galatians Paul says that he visits the apostles in Jerusalem, and they essentially give him a commission to preach the gospel that he had received personally. At least that's one way of looking at it.
Is Peter preaching something new, or taking the same gospel to a different group of people? It looks like a matter of interpretation to me.
I see that the spirit didn't stop with just telling Peter something inside his mind. He goes on to bring about very clear physical signs.
Acts 10: 17 Now while Peter was very perplexed in himself what the vision which he had seen might mean, behold, the men who were sent by Cornelius, having made inquiry for Simon's house, stood before the gate, 18 and called and asked whether Simon, who was surnamed Peter, was lodging there. 19 While Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Behold, three men seek you. 20 But arise, get down, and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them."
Including the sign of tongues
Acts 10: 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word.
Then when Peter returns
Acts 11: 2 When Peter had come up to Jerusalem, those who were of the circumcision contended with him.
He doesn't just tell them that the holy Spirit told him to go, he goes on to talk about the signs that he saw while he was there.
17 If then God gave to them the same gift as us, when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I, that I could withstand God?" 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life!"
So sure, if someone says they have received a revelation from the holy Spirit and that claim is then backed up by amazing signs, then that's something worth considering!
Sure, I can understand the problems with the group approach to interpreting scripture.
Suppose we say the God intends everyone to read the Bible for themselves, and he will give them the correct interpretation as they read.
How did that work when most people didn't have Bibles?
John 3: 14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn't believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
I don't see the word
worship
in the passage.
In my opinion, worshipping the true God does not mean that a person is saved or that they are not condemned.
I don't see the word
worship
in the passage.
In my opinion, worshipping the true God does not mean that a person is saved or that they are not condemned.
That's true!
At the same time, is it possible to worship the true God and reject Jesus at the same time?
You cannot worship God in spirit and in truth and reject Jesus.
But, imo, you can worship God in ignorance and reject Jesus at the same time. It is possible to worship the true God in ignorance, just as it is possible to have a zeal for the true God in ignorance.
At the same time, is it possible to worship the true God and reject Jesus at the same time?
You cannot worship God in spirit and in truth and reject Jesus.
But, imo, you can worship God in ignorance and reject Jesus at the same time. It is possible to worship the true God in ignorance, just as it is possible to have a zeal for the true God in ignorance.
Well, looking at those 3 verses
Romans 10: 1 Brothers, my heart's desire and my prayer to God is for Israel, that they may be saved. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Are you saying the Paul is talking about the true God in verse 1, then a false god in verse 2, then back to the true God in verse 3?
Romans 10: 1 Brothers, my heart's desire and my prayer to God is for Israel, that they may be saved. 2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
Are you saying the Paul is talking about the true God in verse 1, then a false god in verse 2, then back to the true God in verse 3?