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EleventhHour

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Thank you for your participation.
See you at the resurrection!
That is when we'll earn our reward for our faithful labor in the building and field of God.
We don't know 'who' that is now, but we will then and we will rejoice together.

Meanwhile, the new osas will continue to build and plant people up into that which will not make it through the fires of the coming Judgement and they will have no reward for their labor. Assuming they'll even make it themselves.
people up into that which will not make it through the fires of the coming Judgement
There is no making it through.... for anyone.

Jesus is in the Believer and the Believer is in Jesus, Jesus does not go through Judgement.

Those that do have Jesus go to judgement but do not make it through because they do not have Jesus.
 
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Those of whom you speak are Christian and shall bypass judgement. ~~ John 5:24.
Amen to that and he is oblivious to the fact that his fraudulent xianity places him squarely into the MANY GROUPING that comes before Christ saying, "Lord, Lord, have we not done"

His self sustained faith for salvation is 100% contrary to scripture, not of God and devilish!
 
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There is no making it through.... for anyone.

Jesus is in the Believer and the Believer is in Jesus, Jesus does not go through Judgement.

Those that do have Jesus go to judgement but do not make it through because they do not have Jesus.
He has no concept of OUR LIFE BEING HIDDEN IN CHRIST JESUS......he really portrays a Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Charismatic, Catholic cafe blend false dogma that places salvation upon one's own self while bypassing Jesus ultimately......
 

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There is no making it through.... for anyone.

Jesus is in the Believer and the Believer is in Jesus, Jesus does not go through Judgement.

Those that do not have Jesus go to judgement but do not make it through because they do not have Jesus.
Fixed it for you. ;)
 
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EleventhHour

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Yep....he opposes truth non stop....he will find out when he stands before Jesus and tries to explain how HE KEPT HIMSELF SAVED by MAINTAINING his own form of faith....!!
I have read this three times...it gets right to the heart of it exactly!

I am gonna have to quote you on this..;)
 
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I have read this three times...it gets right to the heart of it exactly!

I am gonna have to quote you on this..;)
The truth is the truth and that is exactly what he peddles......a self maintained salvation.....it is either 100% Jesus or fraudulent.....what he peddles falls under the fraudulent grouping....!!
 
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Those of whom you speak are Christian and shall bypass judgement. ~~ John 5:24.
John 5:24 has to be understood in the light of the whole context of scripture:

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." - John 5:24

"24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life." - 1 John 2:24-25

"1Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." - 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

So we can see from the whole context of scripture that the promise of eternal life in John 5:24 is, first of all, for believers , and for believers who continue to believe in the gospel they first heard and were saved by, not for ex-believers in whom the gospel they heard in the beginning does not remain.

It's tragic, but all those people you have met in your hospice work that had stopped believing because of life's trials and heartaches did not go to be with Jesus when they died. That's a very harsh reality and I'm even hesitant to be so blunt, but it's the Bible truth. :(
 
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The truth is the truth and that is exactly what he peddles......a self maintained salvation.....it is either 100% Jesus or fraudulent.....what he peddles falls under the fraudulent grouping....!!
You and @EleventhHour still have not explained why the Bible tells us to do what you say we shouldn't do because that would be us trying to earn our own salvation and devaluing the work of Christ:

"stand firm in the faith - 1 Corinthians 16:13

"building yourselves up in your most holy faith" - Jude 1:20

"holding on to faith" - 1 Timothy 1:19

"hold firmly to the faith we profess" - Hebrews 4:14

"Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess" - Hebrews 10:23

"And now, dear children, continue in him" - 1 John 2:28

"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24


Should we listen to you and ignore these scriptures, or should we do what the Bible says?
 
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EleventhHour

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You and @EleventhHour still have not explained why the Bible tells us to do what you say we shouldn't do because that would be us trying to earn our own salvation and devaluing the work of Christ:

"stand firm in the faith - 1 Corinthians 16:13

"building yourselves up in your most holy faith" - Jude 1:20

"holding on to faith" - 1 Timothy 1:19

"hold firmly to the faith we profess" - Hebrews 4:14

"Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess" - Hebrews 10:23

"And now, dear children, continue in him" - 1 John 2:28

"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24

Should we listen to you and ignore these scriptures, or should we do what the Bible says?

Once again .. loss of spiritual salvation not in view.

Since "loss of salvation" does not exist it cannot fit contextually.
 
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You and @EleventhHour still have not explained why the Bible tells us to do what you say we shouldn't do because that would be us trying to earn our own salvation and devaluing the work of Christ:

"stand firm in the faith - 1 Corinthians 16:13

"building yourselves up in your most holy faith" - Jude 1:20

"holding on to faith" - 1 Timothy 1:19

"hold firmly to the faith we profess" - Hebrews 4:14

"Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess" - Hebrews 10:23

"And now, dear children, continue in him" - 1 John 2:28

"As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24

Should we listen to you and ignore these scriptures, or should we do what the Bible says?
None of them say, "or else you lose salvation" oh dense one!
 

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Judge, do you understand we’re looking
John 5:24 has to be understood in the light of the whole context of scripture:

24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." - John 5:24

"24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life." - 1 John 2:24-25

"1Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." - 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

So we can see from the whole context of scripture that the promise of eternal life in John 5:24 is, first of all, for believers , and for believers who continue to believe in the gospel they first heard and were saved by, not for ex-believers in whom the gospel they heard in the beginning does not remain.

It's tragic, but all those people you have met in your hospice work that had stopped believing because of life's trials and heartaches did not go to be with Jesus when they died. That's a very harsh reality and I'm even hesitant to be so blunt, but it's the Bible truth. :(
i appreciate your concern but you’re looking at it from a place where grace doesn’t exist. I believe through written Scripture that God’s grace does exist for such people.
 
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None of them say, "or else you lose salvation" oh dense one!
"24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life." - 1 John 2:24-25

"2 ...you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain." - 1 Corinthians 15:2

You don't get to be saved and have eternal life unless you keep what you heard in you. But you insist you can cast it off in unbelief and you are still saved. Plain scripture says you are wrong.