Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

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No it doesn't say that all, have you been reading this thread? My whole point is that it takes all three to be condemned. A person who has all three IS NOT saved, they're not losing anything, they never had it to begin with.
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So to conclude, you believe that so long as you only do the maximum of 2 out of the 3, God will understand and still declare you saved on the basis of 1 Cor 15:1-4, during the Tribulation.

I see, its interesting how you take those "ands" literally, you are the first person I have met who share this view of Rev 14:9.
 
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garee said:
Exactly the mark of his word, the letter of his law as it is written the seal of God's approval. The goal of our new faith our new bodies .

1 Samuel 20:19-21 King James Version (KJV) And when thou hast stayed three days, then thou shalt go down quickly, and come to the place where thou didst hide thyself when the business was in hand, and shalt remain by the stone Ezel. And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark. And, behold, I will send a lad, saying, Go, find out the arrows. If I expressly say unto the lad, Behold, the arrows are on this side of thee, take them; then come thou: for there is peace to thee, and no hurt; as the Lord liveth.
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The mark in 1 Samuel is a target, not sure what point you're trying to make.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Which verse says that the mark is the name of the beast? Where does the bible even say its a literal mark. I can say "mark my words" and that's not a literal "stamp or etch" on my words.

Can't you see that you added "administered"? That word is not in the verse. You've been taught that it's something that's administered but you've never read that in the bible.
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When you say mark my words that’s infact what you’re saying, “Write them down.” That’s what it means. Rev 13: 16-17 clearly states what I wrote.
He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 
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Guojing said:
So to conclude, you believe that so long as you only do the maximum of 2 out of the 3, God will understand and still declare you saved on the basis of 1 Cor 15:1-4, during the Tribulation.

I see, its interesting how you take those "ands" literally, you are the first person I have met who share this view of Rev 14:9.
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Either you're saved or your not and that's what Revelation 14:9 is saying. Saved people don't worship the beast, they worship God.
 
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Hungry said:
When you say mark my words that’s infact what you’re saying, “Write them down.” That’s what it means. Rev 13: 16-17 clearly states what I wrote.
He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Look I don't care what people believe, i just share things God has shown me. If you don't buy it, I don't have a problem with that. We can agree to disagree.
 
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KJV1611 said:
The beast causes all to receive his mark in their right hand or their foreheads. If all people take his mark why would Christians knowingly take his mark?

Rev 13:16 (KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
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Except these:

Revelation 20:
[4]... And I saw the souls of them that were behaeded...which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And if you partake in worship or the mark you will not be saved.

And the 'church' will be here during this time.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Look I don't care what people believe, i just share things God has shown me. If you don't buy it, I don't have a problem with that. We can agree to disagree.
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This is the Bible Dicussion Forum. That’s what we are doing...discussing. If you wanted to lecture or state an opinion uncontested then you can write in the blog section. I plead my case. I think it’s a good one. It’s a literal mark. If you don’t care what other people believe based precisely on quoted scripture then posting here is counterintuitive.
 
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Those who will receive the Mark will receive it because they will have already worshipped the Image of the beast..

So worshiping the image of the beast is the real reason they will be damned.. And those who worship the beast will also receive the mark of the beast and so all those who receive the mark of the beast shall be damned..

In 2 Thessalonians 2 it clearly tells us why these people will believe the lie and will be damned.. It is because they will have rejected the Gospel Love of the truth by which they would be saved but instead loved unrighteousness..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
6 "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. {7} For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. {8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

People The key to being guarded from the end times great deception is to truly receive the Love of the truth that saves.. This is salvation by the loving Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. There is no other Way..

All the people in the world who do not accept the Way of Salvation WILL be caused by God to have STRONG delusions.. They will be set up to believe the lie of the anti-christ.. All those who have rejected the Love of the truth have ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE to avoid being deceived by the end times great deception..
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Except these:

Revelation 20:
[4]... And I saw the souls of them that were behaeded...which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And if you partake in worship or the mark you will not be saved.

And the 'church' will be here during this time.
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That's a good point. One verse appears to say that all receive the mark and the other appears to say that some don't. I don't know what the answer is. What is the solution in your opinion?

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 
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This is the Bible Dicussion Forum. That’s what we are doing...discussing. If you wanted to lecture or state an opinion uncontested then you can write in the blog section. I plead my case. I think it’s a good one. It’s a literal mark. If you don’t care what other people believe based precisely on quoted scripture then posting here is counterintuitive.
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I said we can agree to disagree. I'm not trying to change anybodies mind, I'm doing the same thing you're doing, pleading my case.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I said we can agree to disagree. I'm not trying to change anybodies mind, I'm doing the same thing you're doing, pleading my case.
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It was the comment, “I don’t care what other people believe...”, that prompted my response.
 
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KJV1611 said:
One verse appears to say that all receive the mark and the other appears to say that some don't. I don't know what the answer is. What is the solution in your opinion?
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I have no opinion.

We can only observe, by reading, what the scripture obviously says.

Not all will take the mark and worship the beast. These are the saints that have patience and keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12), in relation to the warning from the 'third' angel that if any man took the mark and worshipped the beast and his image that the same would drink of the wine of the wrath of God. (Revelation 14:9-10).
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Except these:

Revelation 20:
[4]... And I saw the souls of them that were behaeded...which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And if you partake in worship or the mark you will not be saved.

And the 'church' will be here during this time.
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This is really conclusive evidence that the op is flat out wrong on his opinion regarding it may be ok, and you may still be saved, if you take the mark. Well done
 
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PennEd said:
This is really conclusive evidence that the op is flat out wrong on his opinion regarding it may be ok, and you may still be saved, if you take the mark. Well done
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Also this...

19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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PennEd said:
This is really conclusive evidence that the op is flat out wrong on his opinion regarding it may be ok, and you may still be saved, if you take the mark. Well done
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You act is if I changed the wording of Revelation 14:9, I didn't change it, I just believe exactly what is written and you don't. I don't know why but for some reason "and" in that verse means something other than "and" to some people.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
 
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Guojing said:
Yes, during the Tribulation, Paul's gospel of grace no longer applies because the age of grace is over.

Israel will be preached the gospel of the kingdom once again, which is faith and works (James 2)

And if you read the doctrine for that time, which is Hebrews to Revelations, there are plenty of warnings on why taking the mark of the beast is considered an unforgivable sin, the clearest being Rev 14:9-11
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One takes the mark of the beast wilfully, there is no more forgiveness of sins for them, but a future of fire and torment. This is doctrine for the Hebrews in the last days.

Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
 
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John146 said:
Also this...

19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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The beast and the false prophet were both cast alive into the lake of fire, What are you saying this proves?
 
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John146 said:
One takes the mark of the beast wilfully, there is no more forgiveness of sins for them, but a future of fire and torment. This is doctrine for the Hebrews in the last days.

Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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You're preaching ANOTHER GOSPEL.
 
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