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mailmandan

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There is no offense of "unbelief" for the born again believer because they are justified, sanctified and will be glorified as promised.
Amen! 1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.
 
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Amen! 1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.
Yet these same believers have a free will to depart from the faith through a hardening of the heart by sin.

And do not forget:

Many are CALLED, but few are CHOSEN.
 

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Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God (Hebrews 3:12).

Take note of the words:
  • Brethren
  • Departing
All the letters in the NT are addressed to brethren, yet that does not mean that everyone in the group of professing believers is a genuine believer. Don't be so naive. Evil heart of unbelief is the opposite of belief and exposes make believers.

Hebrews 3:14 - For we have become [past tense Gk. verb, gegonamen, meaning we have become already] partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Notice that this is essentially a repeat of verse 6, where we have read: but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house - whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.

The wording is not - "and you will become a partaker of Christ (future indicative) if you (future indicative) hold fast." It is rather - "you have been, and now are a partaker of Christ" (demonstrative evidence) if in the future you hold fast the beginning of your confidence steadfast to the end."

The point is that not all of these Hebrews have become partakers in their promised Messiah and the only ones in the end who will be identified as truly born again Hebrew Christians who have partaken in Messiah, will have been those who have held fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end. Those faltering Hebrews who depart from God begin with loud confidence and profession of loyalty. But later? Future perseverance is proof of genuine conversion.

Just as in Hebrews 4:1-2, we read - "For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; BUT the word which THEY heard did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For WE who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Obviously, not all of these Hebrews were believers. Notice that verses 2-3 make a distinction between US who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and THEM who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.
 
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Yet these same believers have a free will to depart from the faith through a hardening of the heart by sin.

And do not forget:

Many are CALLED, but few are CHOSEN.
Only the chosen were ever saved

And your just as guilty as they are. so apart from Grace, You are just as lost
 
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Only the chosen were ever saved

And your just as guilty as they are. so apart from Grace, You are just as lost
I do not agree with you.

But I don't think you are lost; just in error.

He which coverteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins (James 5:20).
 
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I do not agree with you.

But I don't think you are lost; just in error.

He which coverteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins (James 5:20).
well it is not me you have to worry about. It is God

All sin will be forgiven men, But blapshemy of the HS shall never be forgiven, not now or ever.

The sin you need to be worried about it rejecting Gods grace gift.
 
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The sin you need to be worried about it rejecting Gods grace gift.
I received this gift.

Now my aim and desire is to defend the truth of it.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

Glory to God!! :)
 
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I received this gift.

Now my aim and desire is to defend the truth of it.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

Glory to God!! :)
Well I preach this too

But your making it a requirement to be saved

Thats making it a self based salvation not grace based
 
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It’s hard for believers that have the same heart issues of the elder brother of the prodigal son to believe that Father would welcome His prodigal back home with great joy.......:unsure:

They would rather believe that if a believer leaves the faith after being saved they cannot come back. However, the Father says they can! :love:(y)
The Father also says...

If we become FAITHLESS, HE abides faithful because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF

JESUS BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES the work of faith IN US.

We are justified and saved by the FAITH OF/FROM CHIRST (Galatians)

NO MAN HAS EVER LOST FAITH TO THE EXTENT of losing salvation....to say such a satanic false thing is to flat DENY the above truths and in essence makes GOD into a liar.

WE ARE KEPT BY POWER OF GOD THROUGH FAITH INTO SALVATION (the above faith)

To SAY A MAN can lose faith and lose salvation DENIES the above truths.....and IF THAT CAN HAPPEN....JESUS FAILED IN KEEPING US

I for one am sick of the Jesus devaluing deceivers that peddle a self sustained faith/salvation......and to be frank, PAUL double curses ALL that peddle that crap and those that swallow it are called foolish and bewitched!!
 

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Yet these same believers have a free will to depart from the faith through a hardening of the heart by sin.

And do not forget:

Many are CALLED, but few are CHOSEN.
Your speculation does not line up with the context of Hebrews 3 or with Romans 8:30. Speaking of the CALLED..

Matthew 22:14 - Called (2282 - kletos) in Matthew 22:14 is talking about the general call of the gospel which goes out to all men every time the gospel is preached.

In the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, we read <Adjective, 2822,kletos> "called, invited," is used, (a) "of the call of the Gospel," Matt. 20:16; 22:14, not there "an effectual call," as in the Epistles, Romans 1:1,6,7; 8:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2,24; Jude 1:1; Revelation 17:14; in Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2 the meaning is "saints by calling;" (b) of "an appointment to apostleship," Romans 1:1; 1 Corinthians 1:1.

Called (2564 - kaleo) in Romans 8:30 conveys the idea of an effectual call and emphasizes God's sovereign work. There is a distinction between the called (klhtoi) and the chosen (eklektoi) called out from the called.

Romans 8:30 says ..whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. Paul made no implication here whatsoever that those who are called and justified will not be glorified.
 
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There is no offense of "unbelief" for the born again believer because they are justified, sanctified and will be glorified as promised.
All past tense and last time I checked Jesus NEVER LEAVES OR FORSAKES US....according to the lying religionists....HE LEAVES US if we become faithless and forsakes us......
 
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But your making it a requirement to be saved

Thats making it a self based salvation not grace based
I am not.

The requirement to be saved is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31).

But you keep missing the next part:

Do not be highminded, but fear: For if God spared not [the unbelieving Jews] take heed lest he also spare not you (Romans 11:20-21).
 
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I am not.

The requirement to be saved is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31).

But you keep missing the next part:

Do not be highminded, but fear: For if God spared not [the unbelieving Jews] take heed lest he also spare not you (Romans 11:20-21).
Rom 11 is not about induvidual believers, It is written to the gentile church as a whole. Not to boast of how great they are. Because if God did not spare Isreal (AD 70 was a prety significant defeat for Israel) he will not spare you either if you as they did turn from me.

Context is your enemy my friend
 
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Amen! 1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.
At the end of the day when the dust settles it is obvious that the self faith salvation sustaining and salvation losing jokers are just like the false accusers that attacked Grace, eternal life and a 100% sustained salvation by Jesus during the days of Paul....They yank one statement or verse out of context, deny context, verb tense etc. to peddle that which is in error....amd one on this thread "Judges" openly admits sin, forsaking the assembly, tramples Jesus under his feet and counts the blood of Jesus a common ordinary base thing and then wants to lecture us about faith and wilful sin....what a farce!
 
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Context is your enemy my friend
Context is my friend:

The "context" starts back at Chapter 10 verse 1.

Brethren, my hearts desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Keep that in mind.

Now let's pick it up at chapter 11 verse 20.

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith

There is nothing else in the entirety of scripture that speaks of BELIEF, SALVATION, or FAITH that has nothing to do with the gospel, salvation, and believers.

Your enemy is your carnal mind (Romans 8:7) that naturally will not submit to God's law and finds every which way to scheme up ways to avoid being forced into submission to it.
 
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Right here is excatly why you are in error.......rejecting context and skewing the bible to fit your false belief.......Jesus said MANY will come before him and what do they peddle....

a. Lord, Lord <--- claim to know him

b. HAVE WE NOT DONE <--SAME CRAP you and JUDGES PEDDLE

I KEEP MY FAITH, I SUSTAIN MY FAITH, I help Jesus KEEP ME SAVED, I DON'T SIN blah blah blah

Any gospel with "I have or I will" is false.....and leads to hell.

It is all Jesus or fraudulent.....regardless of hiw many think they MUST help maintain that which Christ MAINTAINS, BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES BY HIS POWER......!!!!