Catholicism vs Protestantism

[Dan_473]

Can you show me a verse that say there Will be 2 or 3 Mankind's judge oN the last day?

Sure! I've posted it before, and I believe you'll come to it soon as you go through the posts.

I believe the answer to your question is found in this verse
Romans 2: 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my Good News, by Jesus Christ.

God will judge by Jesus.

A common formulation of the Trinity is
One God, three persons.
(Important to remember here that "person" does not mean "human".)

Since the verse says that God will judge by Jesus, clearly it isn't saying that Jesus will judge by Jesus, since that doesn't make sense.

So it is some other person of the trinity who is judging by Jesus.

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus and the Father are 1.

So you can't worship the father and reject Jesus.

Back to who judge Mankind's oN the last day?
Is Jesus or the father?

I believe united state, has 3 element of power

Legislative, Yudiciary and executive

President as an executuve not judge, am I right?

The president cannot serve as judge in a court in the same way that a Justice of the supreme Court can serve in the supreme Court.

 

[Dan_473]

John 14:6

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

I don't believe one say I worship God but reject God Jesus

In that verse, is Jesus the same as the father?

Can we reword it as:
No man cometh unto the me, but by me.” ?

 

[Jackson123]

No, Jews as a group do not have a zeal for Jesus.

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Is this verse translated incorrectly then, in your opinion?
Is the translator saying that Jews have a zeal for Jesus?

I don't know If translator mistake or not, but to me, No man cometh unto the Father, but by Jesus.
Jews may have zeal to true God but not worship true God

John 14:6

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

 

[Jackson123]

The president cannot serve as judge in a court in the same way that a Justice of the supreme Court can serve in the supreme Court.

So who is the Mankind's judge oN the last day, God the father or Jesus?

 

[Dan_473]

I don't know If translator mistake or not

I think it's important before we continue that you decide whether this is true or not.

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God

Otherwise, I think we will continue to cover the same things over and over again.
Take your time, I'll wait!

 

[Jackson123]

In that verse, is Jesus the same as the father?

Can we reword it as:
No man cometh unto the me, but by me.” ?

Jesus is God, there for worship Jesus is worship God

The Word God can mean the Father or Jesus or Holy Spirit.

So If you see a verse say God Will judge, you can't assume God the Father, because Jesus say
All the power are given unto Him. All, mean include the power to judge

Matthew 28:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[Dan_473]

So who is the Mankind's judge oN the last day, God the father or Jesus?

Probably both!
Probably also the spirit!
John 16: 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

 

[Jackson123]

I think it's important before we continue that you decide whether this is true or not.

Romans 10: 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God

Otherwise, I think we will continue to cover the same things over and over again.
Take your time, I'll wait!

I don't know If It true or not, but It is impossible to come to the father, but by Jesus. It is enough to say that jews or muslim not worship God,

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus is God, there for worship Jesus is worship God

The Word God can mean the Father or Jesus or Holy Spirit.

Does it mean all three at the same time all the time?

So If you see a verse say God Will judge,

I believe I showed the verse from Romans which says God will judge by Jesus.

you can't assume God the Father, because Jesus say
All the power are given unto Him. All, mean include the power to judge

Matthew 28:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Who is getting him the power? Is he giving himself the power?

 

[Jackson123]

Probably both!
Probably also the spirit!
John 16: 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

1. If you say 3 God Will judge oN the last day, than ccc 841 must Use plural judge, must be judges

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

 

[Dan_473]

I ask again

In that verse, is Jesus the same as the father?

Can we reword it as:
No man cometh unto the me, but by me.” ?

 

[Dan_473]

I don't know If It true or not,

As I said, take your time. If we don't resolve this, I believe we will continue to cover the same ground over and over.

but It is impossible to come to the father, but by Jesus.

I agree!

It is enough to say that jews or muslim not worship God,.

Logically, it is enough for a Unitarian, but it is not enough for a trinitarian.

 

[Dan_473]

1. If you say 3 God Will judge oN the last day, than ccc 841 must Use plural judge, must be judges

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

No, that would be a misunderstanding of the Trinity.

It's becoming clear to me that your view of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit differs from the Catholic view.

It's no wonder, then, that you say they are lying!

 

[Jackson123]

Does it mean all three at the same time all the time?

No but the word God can be Jesus or Father or Holy Spirit

Who is getting him the power? Is he giving himself the power?

From the Father, If you give me the power to drive your car, do you drive together with me?
If Father give the power to judge, who judging?

 

[Jackson123]

Logically, it is enough for a Unitarian, but it is not enough for a trinitarian.

How to come to the Father without come to Jesus?

 

[Jackson123]

No, that would be a misunderstanding of the Trinity.

It's becoming clear to me that your view of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit differs from the Catholic view.

It's no wonder, then, that you say they are lying!

You say Father not Jesus don't you

So If you want to say Father and son are judge you use are not is, plural not singular

 

[Jackson123]

Sure! I've posted it before, and I believe you'll come to it soon as you go through the posts.


A common formulation of the Trinity is
One God, three persons.
(Important to remember here that "person" does not mean "human".)

Since the verse says that God will judge by Jesus, clearly it isn't saying that Jesus will judge by Jesus, since that doesn't make sense.

So it is some other person of the trinity who is judging by Jesus.

What do you mean y one God there persons

When you say God mean Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

 

[Dan_473]

No but the word God can be Jesus or Father or Holy Spirit

Or all three, I believe.

From the Father, If you give me the power to drive your car, do you drive together with me?
If Father give the power to judge, who judging?

Jesus would be judging! But then, be careful not to go too far the other direction. Jesus doesn't act by himself!

I think this is where your analogy of driving breaks down. You and I are separate persons, but we are not one God.

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Also I want to say that I'm posting on a cell phone which has been acting strange lately. If I stop responding, it may just be that my phone has stopped!

 

[Jackson123]

Or all three, I believe.


Jesus would be judging! But then, be careful not to go too far the other direction. Jesus doesn't act by himself!

I think this is where your analogy of driving breaks down. You and I are separate persons, but we are not one God.

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Also I want to say that I'm posting on a cell phone which has been acting strange lately. If I stop responding, it may just be that my phone has stopped!

So you believe The word God mean, mean Father, Son and Holy Spirit

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."


Together with us they adore the one and merciful Father,Son, and Holy Spirit....

Don't you see catholic Lie?

Muslim not adore Jesus as a God. They don't mention Holy Spirit in their Quran either