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cv5

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Again, you are unwisely venturing, presumptuously I might add, into uttering lies.

I follow the word of God, period.

There is not an assembly out there that does this. They all in one respect or another make void different portions of scripture in some way or another.
So you do not now attend any assembly on the entire planet earth? And not one single person in all of these assemblies follow the word of God but you alone do?

Quite a bombastic claim.
 
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Push these jokers long enough and the truth comes out....a self saving, salvation losing CHURCH SKIPPER that ALONE is following God while ALL CHURCHES are failing....yet even though he tramples Jesus under his feet, counts the blood of Christ a common ordinary base thing he has the truth and is saved as they come....

What a joke!
 

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It baffles me you can write this.. when you have been shown that scripture in no way contradicts OSAS.... but in fact it is the Gospel.

So many posts/scriptures that you have been unable to refute.
Anyone who has successfully completed at least two years of college/seminary level Greek should be able to very easily refute any and all “proof texts” put forth to defend OSAS—even if they themselves believe in the doctrine!
 
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Anyone who has successfully completed at least two years of college/seminary level Greek should be able to very easily refute any and all “proof texts” put forth to defend OSAS—even if they themselves believe in the doctrine!
Only after being on the juice, being contextually dishonest and rejecting the word of God in favor of religion!!
 
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So you do not now attend any assembly on the entire planet earth? And not one single person in all of these assemblies follow the word of God but you alone do?

Quite a bombastic claim.
Where did Jeremiah in the Old Testament attend?

Where was Elijah sent?

Was there a godly assembly Lot could attend in Sodom and Gomorrah?

How many people entered the ark OUT OF THE ENTIRE PLANET?

Come on mockers, answer! (Generally speaking, not directly addressing you cv5)
 

tantalon

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Was Jesus a Baptist. Why are you? A Pentecostal, Mormon, JW, United, Four Square, E Free, etc., etc., Then why are you? There is only One Church, the body of Christ. I attend an assembly of evangelicals, but I don't swallow every wind of doctrine that is preached. I am careful that what I hear is the word of God, rightly divided from scripture, before I say amen. I have been a Christian for a very long time, and study the scriptures for truth and not necessarily what is taught as scripture. No one is using scripture here in the answer, just what they believe. Only the truth can set one free, and some of you are tied up in knots, and only want to be argumentative, and seem to care little about what is really true, by using scripture in context.
 
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No, I am NOT saying that works are the “very essence” of anyone’s faith; I am saying that works are essential to the completeness of ones faith. Indeed, “faith without works is dead.”

Believing Bibles that include the book of James does not make anyone a “works-salvationist,” it makes them Bible believing Christians—and Bible believing Christians do not rely upon name calling to defend their beliefs and opinions.
Your "opponents" here are basically trying to fit what Paul revealed about the mystery of the grace dispensation, into everything else in the 4 gospels and the book of James.

For example, after they understood Paul, they go back to a verse like John 3:16 or John 6:29 and conclude, "See, Jesus ONLY said to believe in him will have eternal life, he did not say be water baptized, obey the Law, etc etc".

They ignore what Jesus said about keeping the Law elsewhere in the 4 gospels, and also reinterpret what James was trying to tell the Jews in his letter that faith without works is dead, from the perspective of Paul.
 
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EleventhHour

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Anyone who has successfully completed at least two years of college/seminary level Greek should be able to very easily refute any and all “proof texts” put forth to defend OSAS—even if they themselves believe in the doctrine!
This is quite the assertion. You can try if you want to.
 
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EleventhHour

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Where did Jeremiah in the Old Testament attend?

Where was Elijah sent?

Was there a godly assembly Lot could attend in Sodom and Gomorrah?

How many people entered the ark OUT OF THE ENTIRE PLANET?

Come on mockers, answer! (Generally speaking, not directly addressing you cv5)
I am thinking it is your dogma that is the problem. .. not the lack of born again bible believers in the world.
 

cv5

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Where did Jeremiah in the Old Testament attend?

Where was Elijah sent?

Was there a godly assembly Lot could attend in Sodom and Gomorrah?

How many people entered the ark OUT OF THE ENTIRE PLANET?

Come on mockers, answer! (Generally speaking, not directly addressing you cv5)
I think you're way out in left field with this argument.

There is nothing whatsoever in Scripture to indicate that there will only be one single solitary saved Christian remaining in the world at any point in time or under any circumstances. There will always be an Assembly there will always be a plurality in the Body of Christ perpetually during the entire course of the Church age from beginning to end.
 
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There is nothing whatsoever in Scripture to indicate that there will only be one single solitary saved Christian remaining in the world at any point in time or under any circumstances.
Not an assembly that would be out in the open.

God reserved to himself 7,000 men in Elijah's day. But Elijah was the only one out in the open, being sent from God to rebuke the false leaders.
 

cv5

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Anyone who has successfully completed at least two years of college/seminary level Greek should be able to very easily refute any and all “proof texts” put forth to defend OSAS—even if they themselves believe in the doctrine!
You need two years of college/seminary level Greek to refute or defend Biblical doctrine????
Good grief I really have been wasting my breath for quite some time now! Well, I suppose I can still make coffee in the Church lounge etc. I have no problem with that.
 
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EleventhHour

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Not an assembly that would be out in the open.

God reserved to himself 7,000 men in Elijah's day. But Elijah was the only one out in the open, being sent from God to rebuke the false leaders.
Are you stating your assembly is hidden and you are like Elijah?