"Not by works" - false!
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@preacher4truth I've just noticed that you gave my OP a 'disagree', which I find weird because we seem to agree on most things.
The post above, written by somebody else, clarifies what is meant
The post above, written by somebody else, clarifies what is meant
Perhaps the post you put up by the other clarifies you, yet your OP is full of error, assumptions, false presuppositions and isn't the same arguments, not even close.
I doubt you would be swayed by biblical evidence away from your error and tradition. Your entire OP is based upon what a person has to do, based upon them from beginning to end.
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a. NO ONE keeps the commandments and or the law
b. No, not to gain, maintain, keep or embellish salvation
I pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE
NO religious hoop jumping like a poodle at the Westminister dog show to be born again from ABOVE BY FAITH!!!!!!
b. No, not to gain, maintain, keep or embellish salvation
I pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE
NO religious hoop jumping like a poodle at the Westminister dog show to be born again from ABOVE BY FAITH!!!!!!
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AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wow man.....You have a lot to leatn pal amd if you believe the above you are ignorant of history....
James was not even a believer until after the resurrection and show me where James was personally trained by Jesus......and regardless
James is not saying FAITH PLUS WORKS to gain salvation genius!
James was not even a believer until after the resurrection and show me where James was personally trained by Jesus......and regardless
James is not saying FAITH PLUS WORKS to gain salvation genius!
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I agree, they/we "keep" his commandments.
Give us a verse that says "keep" (there are some, John 14:21 for instance) then give the definition of the word keep.
It isn't what you think, or what others in ignorance think it means (like obey perfectly and flawlessly).
Many on here are keeping his commandments, who reject the notion, yet, by biblically defining the word they will see they actually are keeping his commands.
Give us a verse that says "keep" (there are some, John 14:21 for instance) then give the definition of the word keep.
It isn't what you think, or what others in ignorance think it means (like obey perfectly and flawlessly).
Many on here are keeping his commandments, who reject the notion, yet, by biblically defining the word they will see they actually are keeping his commands.
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you said that when you said "dont murder has nothing to do with "dont murder".
apperently its only there to show us we are sinners. i have never murdered anyone so apperently i dont know i am a sinner. makes no sense to me.
and he said faith with no works is dead.
and faith "alone" was added to scripture. having to edit scripture is a red flag to me.
apperently its only there to show us we are sinners. i have never murdered anyone so apperently i dont know i am a sinner. makes no sense to me.
and he said faith with no works is dead.
and faith "alone" was added to scripture. having to edit scripture is a red flag to me.
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I knew the Lord told me to come back to this forum for a very god/good reason. Bless you for feeling inspired to write this thread.
To further support the truism displayed in the subject line of this thread, not by works- false, is to read the Book of James. You can start with chapter 2. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 2%3A14-26&version=ESV;MOUNCE
"Faith without works is dead!"
Read the whole of James.
God will tell the sincere seeker, His indwelt child, to avoid anyone who presumes to insist works have no part (no participation) in Salvation, are not of God.
Nor do those teachers respect His true word. Else, they would never seek to contradict it.
We witness those who don't believe works have a thing to do with faith when we witness the lifestyle of super rich televangelists. If they commit to any church charity it is the barest minimum.And this, after they've been on air for years! Like one pastor who asks for funds to feed hungry children in Africa. First he asked for money to afford bowls. Then he thought to show where donations were going. Sure enough, there were the red bowls millions of dollars donated had purchased. They were being dipped into watery gruel!
If we are indwelt by God, how could we ever accept any teaching that hopes to lead us to believe it, which tells us, we don't have to commit to the work of the Kingdom while we're here on earth? Love one another....but do nothing to show it? Love your enemies....but do nothing to prove it? Need a church during this "pandemic", the whole earth is church. All is of God. You are a temple carrying the Holy within. The church on earth are the whole of the faithful, faith-filled.
How can anything we do as servants of God not be in service to God. Works are a sign we are saved. Read what James, an Apostle of Emmanuel, said through inspiration of Christ, about those who do no work, and call themselves, "in Christ.".
Be blessed. And be not , not ever, led astray by false teachers.
No matter where you may find them. In the pulpit, on TV, or elsewhere in this world. .
The Book of Matthew chapter 7
Be not led astray by those who tell you God's Commands have nothing , no thing, to do with Salvation. Another false teaching. Again, watch how those who defend falsity do so. it will not be with the kindness the Gospel was given. That is because false teaching is the antithesis of the Good News from God. And therefore, cannot share the same passion and emotion, goodness, as did the Truth from God through Christ.
In our Salvation we are given a rebirth, we are no longer whom we once were. We are then able to understand Gods order of creation, and His will for us. God did not waste His breath when He gave the commandments, nor did Jesus lie when he reiterated them. Even that of Sabbath day. Though we are not to be put to death for working on Sabbath, sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday, that day of rest was created by God for us. And Emmanuel /Jesus NEVER rescinded it. He is Lord of the Sabbath, because He is our Lord that gave the Sabbath. We have our rest in Him every day, we know this. However, one day for ourselves, created for us, is our day of/with the Lord. To find respite in him, without the worldly concerns gaining our attention.
John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
To further support the truism displayed in the subject line of this thread, not by works- false, is to read the Book of James. You can start with chapter 2. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 2%3A14-26&version=ESV;MOUNCE
"Faith without works is dead!"
Read the whole of James.
God will tell the sincere seeker, His indwelt child, to avoid anyone who presumes to insist works have no part (no participation) in Salvation, are not of God.
Nor do those teachers respect His true word. Else, they would never seek to contradict it.
We witness those who don't believe works have a thing to do with faith when we witness the lifestyle of super rich televangelists. If they commit to any church charity it is the barest minimum.And this, after they've been on air for years! Like one pastor who asks for funds to feed hungry children in Africa. First he asked for money to afford bowls. Then he thought to show where donations were going. Sure enough, there were the red bowls millions of dollars donated had purchased. They were being dipped into watery gruel!
If we are indwelt by God, how could we ever accept any teaching that hopes to lead us to believe it, which tells us, we don't have to commit to the work of the Kingdom while we're here on earth? Love one another....but do nothing to show it? Love your enemies....but do nothing to prove it? Need a church during this "pandemic", the whole earth is church. All is of God. You are a temple carrying the Holy within. The church on earth are the whole of the faithful, faith-filled.
How can anything we do as servants of God not be in service to God. Works are a sign we are saved. Read what James, an Apostle of Emmanuel, said through inspiration of Christ, about those who do no work, and call themselves, "in Christ.".
Be blessed. And be not , not ever, led astray by false teachers.
No matter where you may find them. In the pulpit, on TV, or elsewhere in this world. .
The Book of Matthew chapter 7
In our Salvation we are given a rebirth, we are no longer whom we once were. We are then able to understand Gods order of creation, and His will for us. God did not waste His breath when He gave the commandments, nor did Jesus lie when he reiterated them. Even that of Sabbath day. Though we are not to be put to death for working on Sabbath, sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday, that day of rest was created by God for us. And Emmanuel /Jesus NEVER rescinded it. He is Lord of the Sabbath, because He is our Lord that gave the Sabbath. We have our rest in Him every day, we know this. However, one day for ourselves, created for us, is our day of/with the Lord. To find respite in him, without the worldly concerns gaining our attention.
John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
See quote above.
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No, that is not what he is saying......and like I said...he was not even a believer until after the resurrection, and he was not personally taught by Jesus.......his contradiction is AIMED at a mere BELIEF in God which the Jews have to this very DAY, but NO saving FAITH into Christ...
NOW BY WORKS of righteousness which we have Done, but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US <- PAST TENSE SALVATION NOT BASED UPON GOOD WORKS WHICH WE HAVE DONE
you guys are false, wrong and peddling error
NOW BY WORKS of righteousness which we have Done, but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US <- PAST TENSE SALVATION NOT BASED UPON GOOD WORKS WHICH WE HAVE DONE
you guys are false, wrong and peddling error