"Not by works" - false!

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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
Careful not to be sucked in otherwise you'll be going round in circles for hours with these people.

We are dealing with lazy Christians here, who want salvation but don't want to have to worry about keeping God's commandments because that's too hard!

John 14:15
If you love me, keep my commandments
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You sir are a liar

no one here has lived this lie, the ONLY one claiming people here believe it is you

keep it up and you will be reported for bearing false witness
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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DBurrage said:
You're misunderstanding what is being said in this thread, despite me clarifying it for you already.

Are you seeking to argue, or seeking to understand?
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A. Don't need you to teach me anything

B. The quote was not directed at you

C. I know what this thread is about and your premise, some of the things you say or imply are false
 
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EleventhHour

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DBurrage said:
You're misunderstanding what is being said in this thread, despite me clarifying it for you already.

Are you seeking to argue, or seeking to understand?
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I think not, you are trying to back peddle now....... we understood from the OP look at all the x's you received
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
You may well turn out to be right, but I'm not here to make allies.
I'm here to interact with ALL Christians and chat basically :)
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Kind of hard to chat when you keep falsly accusing people to make it appear your way is right
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
I don't understand what the requirement for Christians to keep God's commandments (John 14:15) has to do with Calvinism?

Or is this just another personal attack on another user of this forum?
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It’s not a requirement

it is an ATRIBUTE
 
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EleventhHour said:
I think not, you are trying to back peddle now....... we understood from the OP look at all the x's you received
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Do you understand that the truth of God is not determined by casting a vote?

Here is what I have said:

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I think we all need to take a step back and remember that we are brothers and sisters in Christ.

I feel that our disagreements are beginning to verge on personal attacks and I'd like to encourage each of us to take a step back and pray for eachother as well as ourselves.

I also believe that some of the commenters on this thread need to look beyond the thread title and consider deeply what is being said...

This is what I believe, and why I started this thread:

We are reconciled with God through belief in our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are told to
1. Have faith in Jesus, AND
2. Do our best to stop sinning and rebelling against God

John 14:15
"If you live me, keep my commandments".

We will never be able to stop sinning because of our imperfect nature and so we will never be able to reach the standard of God through any works.
However our faith in Jesus makes up for this shortfall.

BUT, the point of this thread is that if we do not consciously turn away from sin and do our best to stop rebelling against God once we accept Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:

Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins"
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DBurrage

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eternally-gratefull said:
You sir are a liar

no one here has lived this lie, the ONLY one claiming people here believe it is you

keep it up and you will be reported for bearing false witness
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Oh, so you DO believe that Christians should keep God's commandments after all?

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
 
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EleventhHour

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DBurrage said:
BUT, the point of this thread is that if we do not consciously turn away from sin and do our best to stop rebelling against God once we accept Jesus into our lives, Jesus' sacrifice will not cover those sins:

Hebrews 10:26
"Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins"
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And this is wrong.

All through this thread you been shown that you are not applying this verse correctly.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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DBurrage said:
Oh, so you DO believe that Christians should keep God's commandments after all?

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments"
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They do

its not a question of if

they do

your maki g it a requirement, it’s not

it is an attribute
 
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DBurrage

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EleventhHour said:
And this is wrong.

All through this thread you been shown that you are not applying this verse correctly.
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I have not been SHOWN it, I have been TOLD it.

One user earlier on in the thread quoted 4 people and put that forward as if their opinions constitute evidence.

You've also argued that I must be wrong because of the number of red X's on my OP

People's opinions aren't evidence.

If you have Biblical evidence that my interpretation of Hebrews is wrong, then please present it.
 
azamzimtoti

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DBurrage said:
I have not been SHOWN it, I have been TOLD it.

One user earlier on in the thread quoted 4 people and put that forward as if their opinions constitute evidence.

You've also argued that I must be wrong because of the number of red X's on my OP

People's opinions aren't evidence.

If you have Biblical evidence that my interpretation of Hebrews is wrong, then please present it.
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You have been asked to explain what you understand in Hebrews to be "deliberately sinning" - I don't think I've seen you answer this adequately.
 
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DBurrage

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azamzimtoti said:
You have been asked to explain what you understand in Hebrews to be "deliberately sinning" - I don't think I've seen you answer this adequately.
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Why do you want me to pull out an English dictionary and provide you with the definitions of two very commonly used words?
Just Google the words, dude!
 
azamzimtoti

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DBurrage said:
Why do you want me to pull out an English dictionary and provide you with the definitions of two very commonly used words?
Just Google the words, dude!
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You said earlier that you had been sinning, hard to believe they weren't deliberate, therefore by your own admission you have failed and condemned.
 
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DBurrage

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azamzimtoti said:
You said earlier that you had been sinning, hard to believe they weren't deliberate, therefore by your own admission you have failed and condemned.
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Yes, I did say I sin.

I also said that I try not to and that I ask for God's help with this.

What's your point?
 
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