Not By Works

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If we aren’t obedient God will chastise us as any loving parent would do...he doesn’t take our salvation away.
 
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EleventhHour

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No, you are wrong. Again you do know what I believe. Sorry but I know better what I believe than you do. I’ve known me longer.
Relying on self is fool hardy .. it is knowing in Whom you have believed that is important.
 

Pulie

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Obedience produces more faith...first we receive faith when we are saved.....then learning to become obedient increases ones faith....which can only come from the Lord.....that is my belief......

I would never be so bold to tell someone they are wrong....disagree with...yes...
Which scripture says"obedience produces more faith?
 

Pulie

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The term holiness in Hebrews 12:14 is more accurately described as sanctification..... not works.
https://biblehub.com/greek/38.htm

More properly the term holiness is actually hosiotés, tightly correlated with pistis (faith).
https://biblehub.com/greek/3742.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/4102.htm

The term works is of course not found in Hebrews 12:14.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2041.htm

By the way salvation comes before works, and only then are given the sanction of God. Just thought I'd let you know. And works done outside of the sphere of salvation are meaningless and irrelevant at best and an offense to God at worst.
"By the way salvation comes before works"
"And works done outside of the spheres of salvation..."
Question: Should works be done inside the spheres of salvation?, if yes, then why would you say "works comes after salvation?"
 

cv5

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What has that got to do with being a born again?...I don’t believe I have been teaching on here.just what I believe.
With you I find it’s your way or the highway....I like to stay open minded.
Well....as you refuse to answer, I am maintaining my assertion that you hold unbiblical heretical views.
 

cv5

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"By the way salvation comes before works"
"And works done outside of the spheres of salvation..."
Question: Should works be done inside the spheres of salvation?, if yes, then why would you say "works comes after salvation?"
The post was self-explainatory.
 

cv5

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You can hold what ever you like...have a nice day.
My work is done. You and DM have been exposed as heretics and frauds who DO NOT believe that the Bible is the truth and the inspired Word of God.
 
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Which scripture says"obedience produces more faith?

Romans1:5

Through him for his names sake,we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all theGentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

I meant obedience that comes from faith....
 
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Pulie,may I ask how long have you been a Christian?..I was born again 28 yrs ago...I remember it,like it were yesterday.
 

VCO

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Does anyone actually say works save us?

Saying it is necessary to do works or you are not SAVED, IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Salvation the moment when we were SAVED, and I believe in Predestination.

So we were it says HE KNOWS WHO ARE HIS, and HE wrote our NAMES IN BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.

HE worked out the precise EVENTS to lead us to the DECISION, we want to surrender Control of our LIFES to JESUS as LORD, meaning MASTER, giving HIM complete control of OUR LIVES, out of AGAPE LOVE. One of the First Changes that HE wanted me to do was to quit smoking cigarettes. Of course I argued against that idea. I even told him, "Why should I quit as long as I enjoy it?" So a few days later, I woke up, and my morning routine was to sit on edge of the bead, grab my lighter and pack of cigarettes, and sit there smoking until my morning cigarette was finished. So I lit that morning Cigarette, took a deep puff, AND IT TASTED HORRIBLE! THEN I HEARD A VOICE IN MY HEAD: "WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE KNOW DUMMY." That was the last cigarette that I ever had. My favorite Aunt died of lung Cancer at 29 years of ago, SO I BELIEVE HE SAVED MY LIFE.

That happened to me PRIOR to being BORN AGAIN, about 1975. I count that believing it was PROOF that I was Predestined, YET, I did not recognized that possibility at that time.

I knew from the very first NIGHT of my third attempt at Suicide, THAT HE CHANGED SOMETHING IN MY HEART {human spirit}, and that LOVE FOR HIM has GROWN more, and more intense ever since. There has NEVER been a day that my life that I DID NOT AGAPE LOVE HIM since that NIGHT.

That MOTIVE OF AGAPE LOVE HAS TO BE THEIR OR ALL OF YOUR WORKS ARE WORTHLESS TO HIM. IT IS NOT THAT YOU DO DEEDS, IT IS WHY YOU DO DEEDS, that COUNTS.

1 John 3:14 (NASB)
14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we {agapaô Verb for of the NOUN Agape} love the brethren. He who does not{agapaô} love abides in death.
{WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN AGAIN and their human spirit is not eternally alive.}
 
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EleventhHour

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My work is done. You and DM have been exposed as heretics and frauds who DO NOT believe that the Bible is the truth and the inspired Word of God.
One thing I have noticed they change their minds every other hour.

When someone claims allegiance to another "worker for salvation" and yet a few days past argued with the same person that salvation was secure there is a big time problem.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Meeting God..means face to face in my mind...like you meet a friend for coffee..I have not lied.
Considering I already admitted that I have not met God face to face again you are being dishonest

Some of your teaching.does not fit right in my Spirit....sorry if it offends.

It doesn’t offend me when you accused me of not being born again...not in the slightest.
1 I never accused you of being lost
2. If your going to judge. Then claim what I am teaching is wrong
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, you are wrong. Again you do know what I believe. Sorry but I know better what I believe than you do. I’ve known me longer.
Lol

You believe that salvation can be lost

If it can be lost it mUST be earned

I rest my case
 
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Considering I already admitted that I have not met God face to face again you are being dishonest


1 I never accused you of being lost
2. If your going to judge. Then claim what I am teaching is wrong

You accused me of not being born again.

I don’t agree with a lot of what you interpret scripture to mean...