Not By Works

[DorothyMae]

Nowhere in scripture does it state Once Saved Always Saved.

I even ended up agreeing with those words...osas.

So I am dropping those words..because they cause division and a lot of confusion.

I am born again...I will see the kingdom of Heaven....nowhere in scripture does it state that a born again can lose their salvation.

So for me...I’m done with the words OSAS.

I am Born Again and Heaven Bound.......that is what the Holy Spirit has testified to my spirit.

Now... someone show me scripture where it states that a born again is not going to Heaven?

Also show me scripture that states a “BORN AGAIN” will lose their salvation.?

How often does the term “born again believer” appear? Let’s see that first before we try to establish the promises to them. Did Jesus ever say “born again believer” can never fall away from the faith?

But maybe you believe a “born again believer” can fall away from the faith and betray many and still go to Heaven. Do you? What happens to a believer who stops believing and “shipwrecks”
his faith in your view?

 

[DorothyMae]

Wrong, the only people who "listen" to you .. actually take in anything you have to say are those of the same ilk

I read I certainly do "listen" to anything you have to say... Thank you God.

If you respond you listened.

 

[DorothyMae]

What experience?

I have about 5 decades of experiences measured by the Bible. Be specific.

 

[DorothyMae]

Do you beleive Him and what He says He will do?

God Bless!

With all my being. But of course I read all he said, not just the pleasant bits.

 

[DorothyMae]

I was wondering the same...
Who can know the mind of God ?
...xox...

Those He reveals Himself to. This is not too difficult for Him.

 

[EleventhHour]

For not listening you seem to read every post, same as the star among us.

I do not listen to you.. there is no value in anything you written so far, aside from a few scripture which I already know.... however ...I do read your posts.

You were wrong, the context of his posts makes it clear what he meant.

You should apologize.

Something like this ..


"Sorry @dcontroversal I misrepresented what you stated in the post, that is correct reading my posts is very different than "listening" to my posts, it is the difference between hearing something and actually listening to it to draw value from it. which I see in context is what you meant.
I am very sorry"

 

[DorothyMae]

When God draws you to him DorothyMae....you know it would never be in fun or Micky taking.

You do know that...Right?

I have no idea what Micky taking is.

 

[DorothyMae]

Here it is....no one listens to your drivel.

God would never speak to you like that DorothyMae...he listens to you...because he knows you are searching...he will never give up on you....keep searching,he knows your heart.

I would post more on dcontroversal words....but I am praying for him very deeply at the moment....because I believe he is starting to lose the plot....his posts have got worse.

His scripture is spot on.

But his attitude stinks.

It’s a shame,it really is..because he has great biblical knowledge.

The Pharisees and lawyers had a lot of Bible knowledge too.

 

[DorothyMae]

Here @dcontroversal uses the word "listening" that is entirely different than reading.

To listen means to give attention to what one is reading, and there are levels of attention, there is more careful consideration.

One can read without paying much attention at all.

So no you are wrong, different words and different meaning.

Both you and Mrs. @DorothyMae should apologize for your false accusation.

Where did I falsely accuse?

 

[DorothyMae]

I hear you bro....I will wait for DorothyMae to explain that to me...then I will ask God to help me with discernment.

Is what E g says correct DorothyMae?

What did you want me to explain? The OSAS camp can only dig out isolated sentences that have nothing to do with salvation ignoring the warnings. Those opposed can post long passages that warn.

 

[EleventhHour]

Where did I falsely accuse?

https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4287614

He said listen... not read.

And I should have stated misrepresented .. falsifying what he stated. perhaps more accurate.

 

[DorothyMae]

From memory this belief is known as "Sinless Perfection". Wesley believed in it but today no one really takes it seriously.

I doubt Wesley thought he was aimlessly perfect.

 

[DorothyMae]

https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4287614

He said listen... not read.

We’re not on audio.

How does he answer a post he never read?

 

[EleventhHour]

We’re not on audio.

Seriously ...

You do have an inner voice you know as you read.

 

[DorothyMae]

I do not listen to you.. there is no value in anything you written so far, aside from a few scripture which I already know.... however ...I do read your posts.

You were wrong, the context of his posts makes it clear what he meant.

You should apologize.

Something like this ..


"Sorry @dcontroversal I misrepresented what you stated in the post, that is correct reading my posts is very different than "listening" to my posts, it is the difference between hearing something and actually listening to it to draw value from it. which I see in context is what you meant.
I am very sorry"

If he answered my posts he read them. We aren’t doing audio communication.

 

[DorothyMae]

Seriously ...

You do have an inner voice you know as you read.

Doesn’t require ears.

 

[DorothyMae]

I think you guys just don’t like the quarterback being bested. And I don’t hear what I read. Bypasses the ears completely and goes right to the mind.

 

[stonesoffire]

Some come to believe by watching true believers defend the truth. This is not as much because of the arguments but from the character of the speakers. Those who hurl abusive words do not impress the truth of their argument as much as the side that refrains from ad hominem.

No one comes to the Lord unless they are drawn. Always is and will be His work. Even His choice for God knows the end from the beginning.

 

[jackrosie]

DorothyMae,would you say you are still searching and are you confused about a born again?

I am by no means saying you aren’t born again.........what I am saying is....a born again knows they are saved and can never die....only our flesh.
I don’t understand why you don’t understand that?....

The Devil will deceive you...like he did me in my mind.

 

[jackrosie]

No one comes to the Lord unless they are drawn. Always is and will be His work. Even His choice for God knows the end from the beginning.

Amen!