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jackrosie said:
False.....I will find scripture to support what I say.....and you sir don’t know how God saves....like I said don’t limit God to the bible
"Well we now know exactly where jackrosie is coming from. "
Now we know where jackrosie is coming from
False.....I will find scripture to support what I say.....and you sir don’t know how God saves....like I said don’t limit God to the bible
"Well we now know exactly where jackrosie is coming from. "
Now we know where jackrosie is coming from
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I have not taught false doctrine Star...I was saved without reading the bible....don’t contain God to the bible he is everywhere...I also posted scripture to support my saving..if you don’t understand that scripture...I can’t help that....be very careful what you accuse me of...because I won’t let it go,..I will challenge you and everyone else who accuse me falsely.
And as for being a newbie..this isn’t your turf...this forum is for everyone.
And as for being a newbie..this isn’t your turf...this forum is for everyone.
First of all, THIS WORLD IS NOT THE PERFECT WORLD, and the NEXT ONE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY PERFECT.
Second of all we INHERITED the SIN NATURE OF ADAM (the propensity to SIN) passed on to the Whole Human Race.
You might not believe in an inherited Sin Nature, but I can prove it to you.
Put two 2 years old boys in an EMPTY room with a one way glass window, than set ONE attractive Toy between them.
Quickly leave the Room and watch how quickly the SIN NATURE develops into the SIN OF SELFISHNESS develops in the boy holding the TOY.
You had better make it a NERF TOY.
That SIN NATURE WILL BE IN US UNTIL THIS BODY OF DEATH Actually Dies. Yes, spiritually we can gain Victory over the sin nature, but that Sin Nature will cause us to sin occasionally, but not habitually. As we MATURE SPIRITUALLY, we will Sin LESS, and Sin LESS, and Sin LESS, as we mature spiritually. When we take the word of GOD and apply it to our Hearts, it will Mature us. That is why some people spiritually mature faster that others, it is directly related to how much BIBLE you DO apply to your heart.
The Third reason for GOD allowing a SIN NATURE in us would be the FOLLOWING:
Leviticus 10:3 (NKJV)
3 And Moses said to Aaron, "This is what the LORD spoke, saying: 'By those who come near Me I must be regarded as holy; And before all the people I must be glorified.' " So Aaron held his peace.
1 Peter 4:11 (NRSV)
11 Whoever speaks must do so as one speaking the very words of God; whoever serves must do so with the strength that God supplies, so that God may be glorified in all things through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.
There is NO GLORY, if GOD MADE US TO BE BIOLOGICAL ROBOTS. On those who CHOSE to believe in HIM, does the Glory go to GOD, and continues as we put our TRUST IN HIM and LOVE HIM BACK. That then becomes our SPIRITUAL NATURE, when He Birthed our New Born Spirit with ETERNAL LIFE. By the Way, ETERNAL LIFE, literally means you CANNOT FALL AWAY, once you are TRULY Born Again.
John 17:3 (ESV)
3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
John 3:36 (HCSB)
36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
Second of all we INHERITED the SIN NATURE OF ADAM (the propensity to SIN) passed on to the Whole Human Race.
You might not believe in an inherited Sin Nature, but I can prove it to you.
Put two 2 years old boys in an EMPTY room with a one way glass window, than set ONE attractive Toy between them.
Quickly leave the Room and watch how quickly the SIN NATURE develops into the SIN OF SELFISHNESS develops in the boy holding the TOY.
You had better make it a NERF TOY.
That SIN NATURE WILL BE IN US UNTIL THIS BODY OF DEATH Actually Dies. Yes, spiritually we can gain Victory over the sin nature, but that Sin Nature will cause us to sin occasionally, but not habitually. As we MATURE SPIRITUALLY, we will Sin LESS, and Sin LESS, and Sin LESS, as we mature spiritually. When we take the word of GOD and apply it to our Hearts, it will Mature us. That is why some people spiritually mature faster that others, it is directly related to how much BIBLE you DO apply to your heart.
The Third reason for GOD allowing a SIN NATURE in us would be the FOLLOWING:
Leviticus 10:3 (NKJV)
3 And Moses said to Aaron, "This is what the LORD spoke, saying: 'By those who come near Me I must be regarded as holy; And before all the people I must be glorified.' " So Aaron held his peace.
1 Peter 4:11 (NRSV)
11 Whoever speaks must do so as one speaking the very words of God; whoever serves must do so with the strength that God supplies, so that God may be glorified in all things through Jesus Christ. To him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.
There is NO GLORY, if GOD MADE US TO BE BIOLOGICAL ROBOTS. On those who CHOSE to believe in HIM, does the Glory go to GOD, and continues as we put our TRUST IN HIM and LOVE HIM BACK. That then becomes our SPIRITUAL NATURE, when He Birthed our New Born Spirit with ETERNAL LIFE. By the Way, ETERNAL LIFE, literally means you CANNOT FALL AWAY, once you are TRULY Born Again.
John 17:3 (ESV)
3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
John 3:36 (HCSB)
36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
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It is impossible to biblically reason with someone that "OUTSOURCES" BELIEFS AND VIEWS about God from any source other than the bible....the scriptures are absolute when it comes to defining the "parameters" we have to operate withinin.....to tell me ONE CAN BW SAVED without the gospel message being attached absolutely flies in the the face of given and known truths....NO GOSPEL = No salvation in the biblical sense.....THE NATURAL man cannot know and or spiritually discern the truth and FAITH ONLY COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD...........
I would think it would be contrary to any "Christian" site to peddle a gospel-less salvation....just saying...If we can be SAVED without the word of God or the gospel....why do we even need the word of God....why stop there...if no need of the gospel for salvation.....we need no word to tell us we are guilty, no truth to guide how we live, and on and on and on....where does it end..??
I would think it would be contrary to any "Christian" site to peddle a gospel-less salvation....just saying...If we can be SAVED without the word of God or the gospel....why do we even need the word of God....why stop there...if no need of the gospel for salvation.....we need no word to tell us we are guilty, no truth to guide how we live, and on and on and on....where does it end..??
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I was saved without a bible....God testified to my spirit..I am his child..I am born again....I cried out he heard and I was saved....I will never doubt my saving....and will challenge anyone who tries to take it away from me.
God is everywhere and he saved me......I also have doubts about you,but you already know that.
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Well the difference between you and me is someone sat me down and explained the full Gospel ( atonement, filthy rags, redemption, the finished work of Jesus on the cross, what it means to be born again, and on for about three hours) from start to finish.
I heard and I believed which is according to scripture
I heard and I believed which is according to scripture
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God saved me without a bible admin.....he then led me to scripture....this man is referring to me in this post...and has twisted and turned everything I have said about my saving....the more he accuse me the more I will challenge him...he is trying to get me banned....because he wants to rule in this thread.
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That’s right...saved without reading the bible...I cried out to Jesus...he heard and in he came testifying to my spirit who he was.......so you got that wrong.....I heard and knew in my Spirit that it was the Holy Spirit.
Again if you are saying that doesn’t line up with scripture...report me to admin.......see what I have to put up with admin.....
See how he twists my posts.....I said...”READING “....he does it all the time...it’s unfair.
That’s right...saved without reading the bible...I cried out to Jesus...he heard and in he came testifying to my spirit who he was.......so you got that wrong.....I heard and knew in my Spirit that it was the Holy Spirit.
Again if you are saying that doesn’t line up with scripture...report me to admin.......see what I have to put up with admin.....
See how he twists my posts.....I said...”READING “....he does it all the time...it’s unfair.
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