If the saved that is dead is in heaven ,With GOD ,Why dose the BIBLE say that the dead can not PRAISE the LORD .

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Why didn’t Paul just say that then? You’re private interpretation is false. Stick with the clear reading of scripture. You add words that change the meaning to fit your theology.

Their bodies are resurrected, not their souls. The Lord brings those souls back with Him to be reunited with their bodies.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Sleep is just another word for dead. These people died being in Christ.
The SOUL that sinneth It SHALL DIE , Not live for ever in a fire. This make GOD a lier . and it is believing what Satan told Eve , That they wouldn't die, And they don't have no Ghost out here running around ether, they return to the dust like GOD said ,
 

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A common belief is the dead who are in Christ and saved by Gods mercy are in "paradise" or abrahams bosom until judgement while those who left with their own righteousness are in hell until judgement then will go into the lake of fire....



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Luke 16:19-31
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
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Revelation 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

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Luke 23
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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Some believe there is only rest until judgement but it does not seem to match scripture.....

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(1 samuel 28 , revelation 6)



Seems to me, we go SOMEWHERE right away and there we stay until judgement. (though my stance on this is not firm and would be open for correction from one of my brothers or sisters here who has shown to know sound doctrine)

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IF the saved that is dead is in heaven ,With GOD ,Why dose the BIBLE say that the dead can not PRAISE the LORD ?



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isaiah 38

17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back.

18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

20 The Lord was ready to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the Lord.

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We who are saved have passed from death unto life.

God has given us a quickened (made alive) spirit.
 

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The SOUL that sinneth It SHALL DIE , Not live for ever in a fire. This make GOD a lier . and it is believing what Satan told Eve , That they wouldn't die, And they don't have no Ghost out here running around ether, they return to the dust like GOD said ,
Death never means annihilation.
 

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It is true our spirit returns tot he Lord, but when?
Had that word been translated as "breath" (which is perfectly legitimate) there would have been less confusion. The breath of life (life itself) is in God's hands. When a person dies his breath returns to God, since God breathes life into His creatures. Souls and spirits are joined together and today they either go to Heaven or to Hades.
 

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Death never means annihilation.
However, since you are communicating with a Soul Sleep Annihilationist, he will stick to his denominational teachings. He believes that souls are in the dust (six feet under the ground), and one day they will just evaporate.
 

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Mark 9:2-4 (ESV)
And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them, and his clothes became radiant, intensely white, as no one on earth could bleach them. And there appeared to them Elijah and Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke 20:37-38 (ESV)
But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him."
 

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We who are saved have passed from death unto life.

God has given us a quickened (made alive) spirit.
We have life in promise only. We can call ourselves saved, but we still will need God to resurrect us to immortality (see 1 Cor. 15:53). Everyone is mortal!
 
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A common belief is the dead who are in Christ and saved by Gods mercy are in "paradise" or abrahams bosom until judgement while those who left with their own righteousness are in hell until judgement then will go into the lake of fire....



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Luke 16:19-31
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
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Revelation 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

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Luke 23
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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Some believe there is only rest until judgement but it does not seem to match scripture.....

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(1 samuel 28 , revelation 6)



Seems to me, we go SOMEWHERE right away and there we stay until judgement. (though my stance on this is not firm and would be open for correction from one of my brothers or sisters here who has shown to know sound doctrine)

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IF the saved that is dead is in heaven ,With GOD ,Why dose the BIBLE say that the dead can not PRAISE the LORD ?



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isaiah 38

17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back.

18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

20 The Lord was ready to save me: therefore we will sing my songs to the stringed instruments all the days of our life in the house of the Lord.

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We who are saved have passed from death unto life.

God has given us a quickened (made alive) spirit.
You have the comma in the wrong place ,JESUS Didn't GO to paradise that DaY . JOHN 20:17 HE told Marry 3 days after HE died on the Cross That HE had NOT ascended to the the Father . It should say ,And JESUS said unto him , verily I say unto thee today, Shall thou be with ME in paradise,
 
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There is a few things wrong with the way that you are using this parable ,The dead can not talk ,They don't even have a memory .
ECC 9:5 for the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing , neither have they any more a reward: for the memory is forgotten. also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

This is a parable , and JESUS is not saying what we think , You got two Dead people talking ,The dead can not talk to each other , Look up what is says in the BIBLE about how people use parable. It is not good, The BIBLE says that the dead can't even praise GOD, How are they going to talk to each other if they can't even praise GOD . It is because How you are using the parable , GOD be with you as HE sees fit .
 

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There is a few things wrong with the way that you are using this parable ,The dead can not talk ,They don't even have a memory .
ECC 9:5 for the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing , neither have they any more a reward: for the memory is forgotten. also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

This is a parable , and JESUS is not saying what we think , You got two Dead people talking ,The dead can not talk to each other , Look up what is says in the BIBLE about how people use parable. It is not good, The BIBLE says that the dead can't even praise GOD, How are they going to talk to each other if they can't even praise GOD . It is because How you are using the parable , GOD be with you as HE sees fit .
You are doing well Bud, hold your ground. It never ceases to amaze me how many scriptures they can trash to make that single parable in Luke into a doctrine defining truth. Antichrist has gotten into Christianity in a big way.
 
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You are doing well Bud, hold your ground. It never ceases to amaze me how many scriptures they can trash to make that single parable in Luke into a doctrine defining truth. Antichrist has gotten into Christianity in a big way.
GOD bless as HE sees fit. And thinks , Capture33.PNG
 

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Nehemiah6

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Antichrist has gotten into Christianity in a big way.
Yeah. By perverting the Bible truths about the afterlife. Luke 16 is no parable. Soul Sleep and Annihilationism are taught by the cults.
 
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Well then count yourself among the men who are MOST MISERABLE.

As to your title question, the dead could not praise God while they were in Sheol/Hades before the resurrection of Christ. But all the Old Testament saints are indeed now IN HEAVEN, praising and worshiping God.

Obviously you have been influenced by your denomination, but the Bible is freely available to all. So why not put aside your preconceived notions and do a thorough study of the subject of the afterlife as revealed in BOTH the Old and New Testaments?
Why did paul say that he was going to sleep then, Paul was after JESUS
 

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Why did paul say that he was going to sleep then, Paul was after JESUS
"Sleep" is just a metaphor for death, since when the body is placed in the grave, it gives the appearance of sleep. But the soul and spirit are very much awake and alive with Christ in Heaven. Only the body turns to dust.
 
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Why did paul say that he was going to sleep then, Paul was after JESUS
JESUS tells us here that the save and the lost is in the GRAVES
11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
They are going to rise out of the GROUND, they do no come down from HAVEN
 
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'Study yourself 'approved' ...
the scriptures are very 'clear' about this subject' =
Study, and show/prove that you are Truly a 'child of God'...
 

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I do not believe that they are in Heaven myself ,Neither do I believe that the BIBLE teaches , that they are in Heaven ,
If you would give the book-chapter & verse that says the dead cannot praise him, My guess is that the verse is talking about those that are spiritually dead, who are actually still alive in their natural state, before they have been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
 
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READ AND LEARN,. little one, = the scriptures will set you FREE...
 

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If you would give the book-chapter & verse that says the dead cannot praise him, My guess is that the verse is talking about those that are spiritually dead, who are actually still alive in their natural state, before they have been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Here let me help. Are our loved ones already with Christ? If they have to be resurrected at His coming—they must not be. I believe our lost loved ones are asleep; they have no awareness of time.

Ecclesiastes 9:5,6: “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.”

Psalms 6:5: “For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?”

Psalms 30:9: “What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?”

Psalms 115:17: “The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.”

Isaiah 38:18: “For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.”

Psalms 88:10-12: “Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah. Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

Psalms 115:17: “The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.”

Job 14:12-17 “So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. For now thou numberest my steps: dost thou not watch over my sin? My transgression is sealed up in a bag, and thou sewest up mine iniquity.