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EleventhHour

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DorothyMae said:
I wouldn’t know. This is eternal life, that they know you, the One True God. Knowing is not works but it does require work.
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Right here, in this response, is why those labels have been used towards you.

You do not even stand by your own words.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
I have the true security that God offers in his word.

Not the security man offers in his OSAS tradition.

It is better to trust in God than to put confidence in man (Psalm 118:8).
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The TRUE security the Bible offers is peace with God.
And there is one way only one way to obtain this.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
 
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Micaiah-imla

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cv5 said:
According to Paul you don't even need Christ.
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No cv5.

According to Paul I needed Christ to take away my sins of the past. Paul said I need to continue humbly in the goodness of the gospel lest I be cut of with the unbelievers; I need to be grounded and settled in the grace of God.
 
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cv5 said:
According to you, those who possess faith in Lord Jesus Messiah (and thereby have peace with God), thereafter, because of one sinning doubt, thought or inclination, on their deathbed, after a lifetime of perfection, will be condemned and consigned to eternal hell.
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A true believer will not end up in this situation. The Lord Knows when you commit a sin in willful disregard of his word. And the Lord can keep you from sinning when you are walking right with him (Genesis 20:6).
 
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Magenta said:
One should not overlook that people claim to achieve sinlessness through the working of the Holy Spirit of God in their lives.

Still, it is 100% doubtful that any achieve such a state this side of the resurrection of all at the end of this age.
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Quite frankly I'm not saying that's it is not possible. What I am saying is that that is not the path to salvation! Purporting that Christians are to remain, and must remain sinless for the rest of their natural born lives in order to stay saved IS A HERESY! Clearly.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
No cv5.

According to Paul I needed Christ to take away my sins of the past. Paul said I need to continue humbly in the goodness of the gospel lest I be cut of with the unbelievers; I need to be grounded and settled in the grace of God.
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More double-talk bafflegag and folderal. First its perfect sinlessness, now its continuing grace. You do err because it is not the sins of the past only, it is the sins of the past present and future.

Your heresies have been uncovered.
 
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cv5 said:
Quite frankly I'm not saying that's it is not possible. What I am saying is that that is not the path to salvation! Purporting that Christians are to remain, and must remain sinless for the rest of their natural born lives in order to stay saved IS A HERESY! Clearly.
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Perhaps it is possible, I simply said it was doubtful :D 100% doubtful ;)
 
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cv5 said:
Purporting that Christians are to remain, and must remain sinless for the rest of their natural born lives in order to stay saved IS A HERESY! Clearly.
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Where’s your “clear” scripture for this?

On the contrary I have a clear scripture that proves what you believe is a heresy: and I don’t even have to add any commentary to it...

Hebrews 10:26-27
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Do not make it unclear with your commentary; this is the word of God. Let it stand!

Hear ye what the Lord says!
 
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DorothyMae said:
WHERE in the scripture does it say “only a born again will see the kingdom of God?” I have asked you this countless times and you’ve refused to answer. If God showed you this why do refuse to show us where????

John 3 is close but does not say that.

JR, if you claim God showed you something in scripture that no one in the whole world says is there, you are elevating your personal experience above scripture.

The scripture says Jesus lost one, Judas. Jesus also says many will fall away from the faith.

This is why I keep asking for you to supply scripture and you have refused each time.
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I have posted scripture....you choose to ignore it........you twist and turn everything.....scroll back and the scripture is there for all to see.
 
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cv5 said:
More double-talk bafflegag and folderal. First its perfect sinlessness, now its continuing grace. You do err because it is not the sins of the past only, it is the sins of the past present and future.

Your heresies have been uncovered.
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Occasionally those who make claims to having achieved sinlessness, when pressed, admit to sinning from time to time.

Still they condemn others for giving themselves "permission to sin" as if they do not do the very same thing.

What's worse is when they claim that faith in God's promises is akin to giving license to sin.
 
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DorothyMae said:
Scripture talks about knowing the Lords voice. It is no more automatic than salvation. One cannot claim one does because it sounds good. Those who hear his voice are very willing to quote His voice (scripture.) This is something you refuse to do.
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I have quoted scripture many times.....you have ignored it.
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
A true believer will not end up in this situation. The Lord Knows when you commit a sin in willful disregard of his word. And the Lord can keep you from sinning when you are walking right with him (Genesis 20:6).
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Rubbish. Jesus saves people from their willful sins all the time. Christians repent of these willful sins, and they are cleansed of all unrighteousness.........continuously. And if they just happen to die before confessing every last one of them they are still saved.
 
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Magenta said:
Occasionally those who make claims to having achieved sinlessness, when pressed, admit to sinning from time to time.

Still they condemn others for giving themselves "permission to sin" as if they do not do the very same thing.
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which makes them hypocrites
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
I have the true security that God offers in his word.

Not the security man offers in his OSAS tradition.

It is better to trust in God than to put confidence in man (Psalm 118:8).
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your security is in self. Yet you deny it. Which is the saddest thing of all
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
OSAS’ers cannot quote scripture to prove their teaching without fouling the water of the word with their OSAS stained feet.

Ezekiel 34:18-19
[18] Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? [19] And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
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try studying John 3,4 6 and mark his words concerning eternal life (OSAS)

Your now slandering.. Are we making you mad again?
 
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