Not By Works

[WithinReason]

Most people that claim to not be earning salvation by works, are in fact attempting just that, by their own man-made traditions:

Powerpoints here - http://supernaturalresources.epizy.com/studies-in-the-scriptures-kjb-souls-salvation/

Or specifically here - https://archive.org/download/colossians-2vs-16/Colossians 2vs16.pptx

 

[cv5]

I’m past the “sinner” stage by the gospel.

I became a saint afterwards.

Saints do saintly things, sinners do sinning things.

gd9,

The scripture declares plainly that sin is brought forth by lust (James 1:15).

The scripture declares plainly that believers have crucified the flesh with its lusts (Galatians 5:24).

How can sin continue in the believers who has crucified the flesh?

And who are you to tell me I still sin?

Don’t project your deficiencies on me.

If you believe that all Christians stop any and all sinning the instant they are saved, you are delusional, a heretic or a liar. Probably all three. Do you actually attend a Christian congregation of any kind? If you to consult with your pastor and ask him if he believes that his entire congregation is without sin, and whether they have lost their salvation because of a sin, sins or sinning.

I say again, Christ is of no value to you as you are no longer a sinner.

BTW, In my opinion the fallen angels and Satan also do not believe that they are sinners. That's is perhaps one reason why they are incapable of repentance, that is why they are the irredeemable.

So you are in some bad company.

 

[stonesoffire]

BTW, In my opinion the fallen angels and Satan also do not believe that they are sinners. That's is perhaps one reason why they are incapable of repentance, that is why they are the irredeemable.


stone:

I never heard that before but makes sense.

 

[VCO]

He took all our sins away at the time we truly repented and believed.

Now it is our responsibility to no longer sin.

Romans 6:2
[2] ...How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

If your dead to sin, sin cannot use you as a conduit.

 

[Fastfredy0]

BTW, In my opinion the fallen angels and Satan also do not believe that they are sinners.

WOW. I've given Satan credit for being highly intelligent. I assume Satan knows the Bible and understands that he has sinned. He's not an idiot.

 

[preacher4truth]

WOW. I've given Satan credit for being highly intelligent. I assume Satan knows the Bible and understands that he has sinned. He's not an idiot.

Imagine: Satan had no clue tempting Eve and twisting God's word was sinful.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Definition of WORK:
Noun
1) activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.
2) a task or tasks to be undertaken; something a person or thing has to do.
3) to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity

Verb
1) be engaged in physical or mental activity in order to achieve a purpose or result, especially in one's job; do work.
2) (of a machine or system) operate or function, especially properly or effectively.

Libertarian Free Will Definition
Libertarian Free Will is the ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition. For the will to be free it must act from a posture of neutrality, with absolutely no bias.

Relating to the topic at hand as I am getting bored of people trying to convince Micaiah-imla that it is not possible to not sin this side of glorification.

NOT BY WORKS Question:
How can one believe in 'Libertarian Free Will' as the cause of one's faith and not believe they are saved by works? (Perhaps my definition(s) are faulty or some other explanation?) (aside: a majority of Christians believe their faith is a result of Libertarian Free Will Definition).

 

[biker]

BTW, In my opinion the fallen angels and Satan also do not believe that they are sinners. That's is perhaps one reason why they are incapable of repentance, that is why they are the irredeemable.

What an odd thing to imagine!
Isaiah said the Morning Star (the Adversary)(Satan) looked where his throne was in proportion to God, he felt he was suddenly equal to God!

To believe you are equal to God but yet not understand you are purposefully aligning yourself against God seems like there is enough knowledge to know you are sinning against God.

That is, unless your argument is that Satan has multiple personalities!

 

[EleventhHour]

WOW. I've given Satan credit for being highly intelligent. I assume Satan knows the Bible and understands that he has sinned. He's not an idiot.

He stated do not "believe" they are sinners. There is a difference.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

If you believe that all Christians stop any and all sinning the instant they are saved, you are delusional, a heretic or a liar.

All real converts (the few that Christ spoke about; that are chosen) do stop. The Bible tells me so. And me simply repeating what the scriptures say makes me a good minister of the word, nourished up in the words of faith and good doctrine, where unto I have attained (1 Timothy 4:6).

Do you actually attend a Christian congregation of any kind? If you to consult with your pastor and ask him if he believes that his entire congregation is without sin, and whether they have lost their salvation because of a sin, sins or sinning.

I had a conversation with a pastor and his youth pastor once about this very subject and they were just as astonished as most of you here. I attend that “church” every so often, but it grieves my spirit that they ignore much of the scriptures in favor of the Independent Baptist tradition.

So you are in some bad company

I’m in good company;

2 Timothy 3:12-13
[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

I live godly by the grace of God. So the persecution I am experiencing here confirms it.

 

[gb9]

All real converts (the few that Christ spoke about; that are chosen) do stop. The Bible tells me so. And me simply repeating what the scriptures say makes me a good minister of the word, nourished up in the words of faith and good doctrine, where unto I have attained (1 Timothy 4:6).



I had a conversation with a pastor and his youth pastor once about this very subject and they were just as astonished as most of you here. I attend that “church” every so often, but it grieves my spirit that they ignore much of the scriptures in favor of the Independent Baptist tradition.



I’m in good company;

2 Timothy 3:12-13
[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

I live godly by the grace of God. So the persecution I am experiencing here confirms it.

ah, here we are- all " real" Christians are just like you. so, not like you= not real.

i stand by what i said- you are your own standard.

and that is bearing witness of yourself. so, not valid. or true.

 

[preacher4truth]

Definition of WORK:
Noun
1) activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.
2) a task or tasks to be undertaken; something a person or thing has to do.
3) to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity

Verb
1) be engaged in physical or mental activity in order to achieve a purpose or result, especially in one's job; do work.
2) (of a machine or system) operate or function, especially properly or effectively.

Libertarian Free Will Definition
Libertarian Free Will is the ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition. For the will to be free it must act from a posture of neutrality, with absolutely no bias.

Relating to the topic at hand as I am getting bored of people trying to convince Micaiah-imla that it is not possible to not sin this side of glorification.

NOT BY WORKS Question:
How can one believe in 'Libertarian Free Will' as the cause of one's faith and not believe they are saved by works? (Perhaps my definition(s) are faulty or some other explanation?) (aside: a majority of Christians believe their faith is a result of Libertarian Free Will Definition).

God decided that he would look through time to see who would, out of their own genuine love for him, decide to choose him and side with him. Therefore since God saw they would do this thing he would give them eternal life because they did it. This describes their beliefs as they've shared them on here. He could not save them if they did not do this.

But that is not grace, it's merit, it's works.

Funny thing is watching them fight others that believe they maintain salvation and believe God gave them eternal life because of what they did in the same manner, choosing by their wills, which is rejected in John 1:13, James 1:18; John 6:63.

Their beliefs are similar, both sides believe in works goose extent but don't even see it, or can't.

Furthermore they also believe they had faith and exercised it by free will, so for doing that they were given eternal life will which is also a work. They reject faith is God's gift for the most part, and claim they had it I currently and exercised it.

Then they say it is all God.

Um. No. It's merited favor by a work of what they've done, it is in no way biblical grace since grace is unmerited favor.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

ah, here we are- all " real" Christians are just like you. so, not like you= not real.

i stand by what i said- you are your own standard.

and that is bearing witness of yourself. so, not valid. or true.

I am shaped by the holy scripture. I bear witness to the truth.

I do not have a preference to force the scriptures into. I have not been indoctrinated into a man’s tradition.

I’m the clay, God’s word is the potter.

 

[cv5]

All real converts (the few that Christ spoke about; that are chosen) do stop. The Bible tells me so. And me simply repeating what the scriptures say makes me a good minister of the word, nourished up in the words of faith and good doctrine, where unto I have attained (1 Timothy 4:6).



I had a conversation with a pastor and his youth pastor once about this very subject and they were just as astonished as most of you here. I attend that “church” every so often, but it grieves my spirit that they ignore much of the scriptures in favor of the Independent Baptist tradition.



I’m in good company;

2 Timothy 3:12-13
[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

I live godly by the grace of God. So the persecution I am experiencing here confirms it.

Ah ah ah. You clearly have stated many times that all Christians immediately and instantaneously stop sending upon conversion. Not "do stop" aka "eventually stop".........HAVE stopped once and for all forevermore.

THAT is your doctrinal statement and doctrinal position. And now you have the gall to tell me that your pastor (Or any pastor for that matter) agrees with you?

That is a lie. No legitimate pastor on planet earth believes that doctrine, first and foremost because it is not Scriptural, and despite your failed attempts to prove it.

 

[VCO]

He took all our sins away at the time we truly repented and believed.

Now it is our responsibility to no longer sin.

Romans 6:2
[2] ...How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

If your dead to sin, sin cannot use you as a conduit.

YOU CAN'T BE SINLESS, BECAUSE THE SIN NATURE IS STILL IN YOU, and I PROVED IT. THAT WAS SAID BY HIM, to EMPHASIS, "I CAN NOT DO IT, I NEED A SAVIOR."

That is your first Warning for Divisiveness. The next time will be your Second Warning, and after that if you CONTINUE, you will go on my permanent IGNORE LIST.

Romans 5:8-10 (NASB)
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.


YOU APPARENTLY THINK YOU CAN EARN YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN? YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT THAT WAY.

Romans 3:20 (NKJV)
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man
for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for
the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put
to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as
bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
{That would be President Donald Trump, if you are an American.}

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I WILL NOT HAPPEN THIS WAY!

Only idiots do not think the ABOVE pictures are not SINNING.


Titus 3:10-11 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

 

[cv5]

I am shaped by the holy scripture. I bear witness to the truth.

I do not have a preference to force the scriptures into. I have not been indoctrinated into a man’s tradition.

I’m the clay, God’s word is the potter.

Ooooohhhhh. Now you are being "shaped" are you? Since when did the sinnless have to be shaped into anything else?

 

[gb9]

I am shaped by the holy scripture. I bear witness to the truth.

I do not have a preference to force the scriptures into. I have not been indoctrinated into a man’s tradition.

I’m the clay, God’s word is the potter.

i have not been either.

when i first came to Christ in 1999, i read the Bible all the way through multiple times before i ever sat under someone's teaching.

i just did not ever let myself get into delusional thinking that i never sin.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

And now you have the gall to tell me that your pastor (Or any pastor for that matter) agrees with you?

No, they did not agree that the scripture say we don’t sin anymore. The same scriptures that I speak of.

They deny any idea of sinlessness.

 

[biker]

He stated do not "believe" they are sinners. There is a difference.

If they did not believe they were wrong, why when Jesus was going to cast out the Demons, they cried to Him, is it the time yet?

Now, what TIME do you think they were speaking about?

I will tell you:
The TIME where they are Cast into the Lake of Fire for all Eternity!

Why would a fallen angel be worried about spending the rest of eternity burning if they did not know they have sinned against God?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

YOU CAN'T BE SINLESS, BECAUSE THE SIN NATURE IS STILL IN YOU

Either you need to reckon the sin nature (flesh) dead, or take heed to this scripture:

1 Corinthians 5:5
[5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.