is Jesus a creature or a being?

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First born means preeminence doesnt mean He is our older brother. Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega..all things that were created were created by and through Him..how can He be a created being..sorry wake-up but you are outside the Christian faith what you believe is in no way shape or form what the church has believed or taught nor is it in any way scriptual..you misread the scriptures.You couldnt be more wrong..
the Father is uncreated... the Son is uncreated... the Holy Spirit is uncreated... the Father is infinite.. the Son is infinite... the Holy Spirit is infinite.... the Father is eternal... the Son is eternal... the Holy Spirit is eternal...
And yet there are not three eternal Beings.. but one eternal Being.. So also there are not three uncreated Beings, nor three infinite Beings, but one uncreated and one infinite Being.

 
AnandaHya said:
when were angels created? are they the winged beast in the fifth day? the stars in the fourth day ( I read somewhere that the star that lead wisemen to Jesus was really an angel and that stars in Revelation are angels)? Or were they created before God started telling us about the world in the book of Genesis?
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the angel were created before the earh was created. see job.38:4--7.
 
zone said:
some people who follow the William Branham/Arnold Murrays believe humans prexisted, were actually the Elohim, and duked it out with satan and the fallen angels (our fallen brothers) in "the first earth age", and that we are those spirit beings in human bodies to hopefully restore those 1/3 that followed satan in the "first earth age".

their jesus is our older brother (like bad satan) and he came first to show us the way.

crazy huh? who would believe such a thing....:rolleyes:
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this is mormonism. the name mormon comes from their angel, called moroni.
 
aworldexport67 said:
First born means preeminence doesnt mean He is our older brother. Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega..all things that were created were created by and through Him..how can He be a created being..sorry wake-up but you are outside the Christian faith what you believe is in no way shape or form what the church has believed or taught nor is it in any way scriptual..you misread the scriptures.You couldnt be more wrong..

the Father is uncreated... the Son is uncreated... the Holy Spirit is uncreated... the Father is infinite.. the Son is infinite... the Holy Spirit is infinite.... the Father is eternal... the Son is eternal... the Holy Spirit is eternal...
And yet there are not three eternal Beings.. but one eternal Being.. So also there are not three uncreated Beings, nor three infinite Beings, but one uncreated and one infinite Being.
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It is a mystery; dont start blaming the bible or me. you can read for your self: Ijust put the scriptures together.
 
Israel said:
Jeremiah 1:4-5

4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
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God is yesterday, today, and tomorrow. God is not in our time zone.
 
aworldexport67 said:
First born means preeminence doesnt mean He is our older brother. Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega..all things that were created were created by and through Him..how can He be a created being..sorry wake-up but you are outside the Christian faith what you believe is in no way shape or form what the church has believed or taught nor is it in any way scriptual..you misread the scriptures.You couldnt be more wrong..

the Father is uncreated... the Son is uncreated... the Holy Spirit is uncreated... the Father is infinite.. the Son is infinite... the Holy Spirit is infinite.... the Father is eternal... the Son is eternal... the Holy Spirit is eternal...
And yet there are not three eternal Beings.. but one eternal Being.. So also there are not three uncreated Beings, nor three infinite Beings, but one uncreated and one infinite Being.
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Was Paul wrong??
 
zone said:
some people who follow the William Branham/Arnold Murrays believe humans prexisted, were actually the Elohim, and duked it out with satan and the fallen angels (our fallen brothers) in "the first earth age", and that we are those spirit beings in human bodies to hopefully restore those 1/3 that followed satan in the "first earth age".

their jesus is our older brother (like bad satan) and he came first to show us the way.

crazy huh? who would believe such a thing....:rolleyes:
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That proves satans power of persuasion. And he will do it again soon. he will persuade the whole world this time.
 
aworldexport67 said:
First born means preeminence doesnt mean He is our older brother. Jesus has always been Alpha and Omega..all things that were created were created by and through Him..how can He be a created being..sorry wake-up but you are outside the Christian faith what you believe is in no way shape or form what the church has believed or taught nor is it in any way scriptual..you misread the scriptures.You couldnt be more wrong..

the Father is uncreated... the Son is uncreated... the Holy Spirit is uncreated... the Father is infinite.. the Son is infinite... the Holy Spirit is infinite.... the Father is eternal... the Son is eternal... the Holy Spirit is eternal...
And yet there are not three eternal Beings.. but one eternal Being.. So also there are not three uncreated Beings, nor three infinite Beings, but one uncreated and one infinite Being.
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The church does not know what to believe,they are in limbo in many areas.
i am not surprised that you feel uneasy, but just search the scriptures.This is what i am doing ;to make you seek.
 
wakeup look and see what the word used means..firstborn refered to position not Jesus nature...
 
there is no doubt who Jesus is..Scripture is clear..i dont feel uneasy in the slightest..i am confident possitive 100% sure Jesus is God the Son..without hesitation...what you are saying is unbiblical and not whats been taught nor believed by either Catholic Orthodox or Protestant churches..all three would reject your teaching..and they would be right cause its unscriptual..Jesus has always been...
 
aworldexport67 said:
there is no doubt who Jesus is..Scripture is clear..i dont feel uneasy in the slightest..i am confident possitive 100% sure Jesus is God the Son..without hesitation...what you are saying is unbiblical and not whats been taught nor believed by either Catholic Orthodox or Protestant churches..all three would reject your teaching..and they would be right cause its unscriptual..Jesus has always been...
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What is wrong with those scriptures i quoted? why does it mention creature;born;beginning;made??
 
aworldexport67 said:
there is no doubt who Jesus is..Scripture is clear..i dont feel uneasy in the slightest..i am confident possitive 100% sure Jesus is God the Son..without hesitation...what you are saying is unbiblical and not whats been taught nor believed by either Catholic Orthodox or Protestant churches..all three would reject your teaching..and they would be right cause its unscriptual..Jesus has always been...
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I am not saying anything i am merely quoting scripture?
 
aworldexport67 said:
there is no doubt who Jesus is..Scripture is clear..i dont feel uneasy in the slightest..i am confident possitive 100% sure Jesus is God the Son..without hesitation...what you are saying is unbiblical and not whats been taught nor believed by either Catholic Orthodox or Protestant churches..all three would reject your teaching..and they would be right cause its unscriptual..Jesus has always been...
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please clarify clol1:15.??
 
wakeup said:
To me first born means first born.
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Well yes, it does to me as well.

But many will only accept PLAIN scripture when it fits in with what they have been taught, and they will expect you to stand on the PLAIN scripture they produce to you and their interpretation of it, but they will feel free to tell you in effect that if you stand on PLAIN scripture as it is written that does not fit in with their personal philosophy you are condemned, a heretic, possessed by the spirit of antichrist and can have no eternal life
 
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aworldexport67 said:
wakeup look and see what the word used means..firstborn refered to position not Jesus nature...
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As a man in the flesh, Emanuel, Jesus, was born. Why is this so difficult for so many to understand. As a Spirit, Angel of the Lord, Melchesidek, he is eternal God. The man Jesus overcame the world & was Glorified by the Father as King of Kings & Lord of Lords.
 
aworldexport67 said:
there is no doubt who Jesus is..Scripture is clear..i dont feel uneasy in the slightest..i am confident possitive 100% sure Jesus is God the Son..without hesitation...what you are saying is unbiblical and not whats been taught nor believed by either Catholic Orthodox or Protestant churches..all three would reject your teaching..and they would be right cause its unscriptual..Jesus has always been...
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I personally could care less what those Churches teach. I believe most of them fit into the Whore of Babylon category of Revelations. I will continue to listen to that still small voice in my ear & not the big band screaming out at the world.
 
Tigger2 said:
I personally could care less what those Churches teach. I believe most of them fit into the Whore of Babylon category of Revelations. I will continue to listen to that still small voice in my ear & not the big band screaming out at the world.
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LOL.
that's Jerusalem Tigger.
'churches' and people who teach the things affirmed by her are partakers of her deeds (i.e: Jesus was not I AM)
a small still voice in your ear?
 
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