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Micaiah-imla

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Benadam said:
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Saying that creation included death and decay before man sinned.
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Genesis 2:17
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This implies that there would have been no death and decay until Eve was deceived and ate of the tree (causing Adam to also eat also).
 
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Romans 8:19
For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
 
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Blik said:
Scripture requires a knowledge of history to understand it, it requires a knowledge of language to understand their words, it requires learning in many fields because all fields have a base in scripture.
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Uh, no.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
 
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Micaiah-imla

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Benadam said:
the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
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And this happened because the tree of knowledge of good and evil as eaten from.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Exactly Magenta. Have you heard of the warnings about the vaccine for the Corona Virus? There’s warnings that something could affect the DNA of a person and not to take it.

Ive never had a flu shot. I just ”had a feeling” thatbi should reject it. That the only way I can explain why not.
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I thought any vaccine had an effect on our DNA?
 
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There isn't just one chapter that speaks of the Beast. There are a lot of verses about his mark.
Maybe the mark on the forehead refers to a lapse in judgment? Being beguiled to follow what the person doesn't realize is the Beast?
Like the woman who sold her forehead to a casino for ten thousand dollars so they could have tattooed there their casino .com address. A casino add on your face forever. For ten thousand dollars?

I looked and found a bunch to share here. https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Mark-Of-The-Beast
Revelation 13:16-17
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Revelation 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

Revelation 13:16
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

Revelation 13:17
and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 13:7-10
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear.read more.

Revelation 16:2
So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
 
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Not everyone believes the mark of the beast on the hand and forehead are literal devices or marks such as computer chips or anything similar, and there are Scriptural reasons to believe they are not..

I understand that some people think the 'mark' COULD BE WJAT YOU DO WITH YOUR HEAD, (THINKIING) OR WITH YOUR HANDS (DOING) however that is nor really a mark is it?

What are the scriptual reasons to believe that the marks are not computer chips or something similar?
 
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Silverwings said:
Not everyone believes the mark of the beast on the hand and forehead are literal devices or marks such as computer chips or anything similar, and there are Scriptural reasons to believe they are not..

I understand that some people think the 'mark' COULD BE WJAT YOU DO WITH YOUR HEAD, (THINKIING) OR WITH YOUR HANDS (DOING) however that is nor really a mark is it?

What are the scriptual reasons to believe that the marks are not computer chips or something similar?
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Interesting question. Is there anything in the scriptures that tell us the ancient writers would have been able to comprehend such? Computer chips or something similar?
 
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soggykitten said:
Interesting question. Is there anything in the scriptures that tell us the ancient writers would have been able to comprehend such? Computer chips or something similar?
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They wrote what they saw in visions amd what they were inspired to write and sometimes without understanding.....sometimes they had difficulty in grasping what they were seeing and or being told....Daniel was told to seal up the book because the prophecy was yet for a long time (yet future) and some 2500 plus years in the future as we know right now.

Note Daniel's words

And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
And this happened because the tree of knowledge of good and evil as eaten from.
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So nothing on earth died and decayed before humans arrived on earth?
I wonder what motor oil really is then.
 
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Silverwings said:
Not everyone believes the mark of the beast on the hand and forehead are literal devices or marks such as computer chips or anything similar, and there are Scriptural reasons to believe they are not..

I understand that some people think the 'mark' COULD BE WJAT YOU DO WITH YOUR HEAD, (THINKIING) OR WITH YOUR HANDS (DOING) however that is nor really a mark is it?

What are the scriptual reasons to believe that the marks are not computer chips or something similar?
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Revelation 14:1 says, Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144, 000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads. Do they/we have God's name literally written on their/our foreheads? How about Revelation 22:4 , which says: They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. Again, do you think this is a literal mark, or is it meant to be symbolic of to Whom we have pledged our allegiance? Deuteronomy 6:5-8 ~ Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Hebrews 10:16 ~ “This is the covenant I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

I did answer this already, but you have asked again, so... and it does bear repeating :)
 
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Consider the possibility

Understanding the mark of the beast one must remember that Satan's most sublime deceptions imitate God.
God's mark is on the forehead because the head represents the will and reason. It isn't on the hand because we don't generally know what's good until after it's done. Also, when we are doing good it is God in us initiating it. The mark of the beast is on the hand too because the will of those who worship the beast are perfectly united to the evil will. Otherwise they would lack damnable culpability for doing it.
They will know when, what,why, how and for who in what they do. They will be perfectly possessed. That means their will will be perfectly united to the will of the evil one possessing them. The right to possess this way is given through a ritual imitation of Baptism.

Christians are marked with Christ's death and resurrection at baptism.

The antichristians are marked with Satan's death at their Baptism. The Baptismal ritual gives permission to fallen angels to possess them perfectly.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Exactly Magenta. Have you heard of the warnings about the vaccine for the Corona Virus? There’s warnings that something could affect the DNA of a person and not to take it.

Ive never had a flu shot. I just ”had a feeling” thatbi should reject it. That the only way I can explain why not.
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New Gates vaccines are not just vaccine like it used to be but have the ability to track us by chip (never mind that in 21st century they are either too dumb or for evil reasons unwilling to invent a safer preservative than mercury). What proves us that flu vaccines didn't track us already, or that they didn't carry some other effect or technology? Is there a system to scrutinize the modern vaccines on our behalf or hold companies accountable? Nope, they have full immunity. And from the actions of these people that create changes in society, it seems like they are satisfied with getting their foot into the door, once they set a precedent it is almost never reversed, and it's done business, it's just a matter of time, and one evil precedent invites others. Then they say God's rules in the Old testament were too harsh. Well this is why. You couldn't leave a precedent of evil alive, or everything would have gone down the drain, society downfall, Messianic bloodline and hope for mankind, poof, gone.
 
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SoulWeaver said:
New Gates vaccines are not just vaccine like it used to be but have the ability to track us by chip (never mind that in 21st century they are either too dumb or for evil reasons unwilling to invent a safer preservative than mercury). What proves us that flu vaccines didn't track us already, or that they didn't carry some other effect or technology? Is there a system to scrutinize the modern vaccines on our behalf or hold companies accountable? Nope, they have full immunity. And from the actions of these people that create changes in society, it seems like they are satisfied with getting their foot into the door, once they set a precedent it is almost never reversed, and it's done business, it's just a matter of time, and one evil precedent invites others. Then they say God's rules in the Old testament were too harsh. Well this is why. You couldn't leave a precedent of evil alive, or everything would have gone down the drain, society downfall, Messianic bloodline and hope for mankind, poof, gone.
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Would God damn someone to hell for doing something that isn't immoral?
 
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Benadam said:
Would God damn someone to hell for doing something that isn't immoral?
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I don't understand what that has to do with what I wrote? By no means was I contradicting that...
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Uh, no.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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My goodness sakes, why are you saying knowledge is philosophy?
 
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Blik said:
My goodness sakes, why are you saying knowledge is philosophy?
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Worldly knowledge is the pursuit of God is vanity (like philosophy).

I seek wisdom and understanding only from scripture:

Proverbs 2:1-6

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
 
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