LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?

[lenna]

Lenna, may I ask a question: How many times have you given birth?

We covered pain a few posts up and what a curse would effect.

Sorry, but instead of trying to create a diversion, are you able to respond to what I posted about the deeper meaning of curse?

That is what I would be interested in, not your opinion of me because opinions of me vary from person to person and really your opinion seems personal even though I do not know you or why you would say that

Go ahead and laugh. I think someone who responds with that sort of reply indicates they simply cannot respond and so resort to mocking

like I said, I don't know you at all and frankly that goes both ways so maybe find someone else to cross examine since you do not seem to be able to respond to Galatians and how the word curse is used

 

[Blain]

Can anyone name a female pastor of any church anywhere that isn't preaching a woke gospel of gay-rights, equality, anti-racism, environmentalism, pro-immigration, etc Any of them that aren't into the prosperity gospel? Any that don't preach watered down Christianity?

The only female pastor I've ever talked to had this poster in her office:

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A user named Angela a very good friend of mine and unofficial mentor

 

[Blain]

Can anyone name a female pastor of any church anywhere that isn't preaching a woke gospel of gay-rights, equality, anti-racism, environmentalism, pro-immigration, etc Any of them that aren't into the prosperity gospel? Any that don't preach watered down Christianity?

The only female pastor I've ever talked to had this poster in her office:

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Ok I know this is not part of the topic but honestly what is with people and making Jesus more ripped thana body builder, at the very least he is more average looking here.

 

[proverbs35]

I can assure you they do and it is definitely a curse.

Women not only still experience pain during childbirth, countless women (only God knows an exact number) die giving birth.

The United States is the only developed country with a rising death rate for pregnant or new mothers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...r-wife-dies-during-childbirth/?outputType=amp

 

[lenna]

Women not only still experience pain during childbirth, countless women (only God knows an exact number) die giving birth.

The United States is the only developed country with a rising death rate for pregnant or new mothers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wave3.com/2020/02/18/father-sues-los-angeles-hospital-after-wife-dies-during-childbirth/?outputType=amp

that is a fact and was already stated

but the question is are women cursed? did God curse them and if so are we still cursed?

my thoughts are posted above

I don't believe Christians are cursed but like all of creation, we do live out the effects of sin

 

[Butterflyyy]

We covered pain a few posts up and what a curse would effect.

Sorry, but instead of trying to create a diversion, are you able to respond to what I posted about the deeper meaning of curse?

That is what I would be interested in, not your opinion of me because opinions of me vary from person to person and really your opinion seems personal even though I do not know you or why you would say that

Go ahead and laugh. I think someone who responds with that sort of reply indicates they simply cannot respond and so resort to mocking

like I said, I don't know you at all and frankly that goes both ways so maybe find someone else to cross examine since you do not seem to be able to respond to Galatians and how the word curse is used

I think it is you that is creating a diversion and it would appear that it is you that not able to respond to MY question.

 

[lenna]

I think it is you that is creating a diversion and it would appear that it is you that not able to respond to MY question.

smh

this might be amateur night let's insult each other for you but I am not interested

you have a lovely evening.

 

[Butterflyyy]

smh

this might be amateur night let's insult each other for you but I am not interested

you have a lovely evening.

I’m merely illustrating that you are unqualified to have an opinion.
What you are saying is not based on factual evidence.

 

[EleventhHour]

God did not curse the man and the woman at all. He cursed the serpent and the ground. The rest of your post is irrelevant.

Agree

 

[EleventhHour]

that is a fact and was already stated

but the question is are women cursed? did God curse them and if so are we still cursed?

my thoughts are posted above

I don't believe Christians are cursed but like all of creation, we do live out the effects of sin

Yes I agree as well ... effects of sin.

 

[EleventhHour]

look at Galatians. we cannot be both cursed and blessed. hello?

Amen!!!

 

[Truth7t7]

Firstly, 'usurp authority' is a poor translation of the Greek term. Secondly, a woman who has been appointed to preach has not "usurped" anything!


Paul doesn't agree with your statement, as he commended Phoebe, a female deacon. Given that Paul commended a female deacon, your interpretation of Paul's statements to Timothy and Titus must be incorrect.


Fallacy: non sequitur.

Fallacy: irrelevant appeal to fear.

Phoebe a female wasn't a Deacon in the Church, that would be your adding to the scripture.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[Lion222]

Can you be both alive and dead?
The body is dead because of sin, that has not changed.
But the Spirit is alive because of Christ Jesus.
Though outwardly you are decaying, hopefully inwardly you are being renewed.

 

[Blik]

Do you approve of "Practicing" homosexuals behind the pulpit, using the name of Jesus Christ?

There are ways of misreading scripture to let homosexual people in but the correct way of reading scripture DOES let women teach in the church. If that was not so then Phoebe would not be praised by Paul for her leadership, and Priscilla for being a missionary. You are listening to the letter of the law and turning a blind eye to the heart and truth. God lets women give when needed, have you read the book of Judges?

 

[Blik]

Phoebe a female wasn't a Deacon in the Church, that would be your adding to the scripture.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I repeat: nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[surfer14]

Ok I know this is not part of the topic but honestly what is with people and making Jesus more ripped thana body builder, at the very least he is more average looking here.

LOL! Of all the things to focus on in that pic, you noticed the abs??!! That's funny. So I take it you're not a fan of Michelangelo? You like some Peter Paul Rubens better?

Does Angela call herself a pastor (or deacon or anything like that)? Or is she just someone who talks with you about Jesus?

My contention is that a woman can not be a conservative preacher of Christianity unless she's a total hypocrite. She must do some fancy interpreting of scripture in order to justify her role as a pastor. And that fancy interpretation comes from a liberal Christian viewpoint. Furthermore liberal Christianity has quite a bit of correlation to leftist social/political views. So you wind up going to church for some Christianity, but you get there and just get a big dose of gay pride. No thanks.

 

[Lion222]

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I repeat: nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I just checked your wrong.

 

[Truth7t7]

There are ways of misreading scripture to let homosexual people in but the correct way of reading scripture DOES let women teach in the church. If that was not so then Phoebe would not be praised by Paul for her leadership, and Priscilla for being a missionary. You are listening to the letter of the law and turning a blind eye to the heart and truth. God lets women give when needed, have you read the book of Judges?

Phoebe a female wasn't a Deacon in the Church, that would be your adding to the scripture.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[Lion222]

I just checked your wrong.

In spirit only.
In body still different.
Still embodying all of those things the bible attributes to men and women physically.
Those are all going to be true until we are done here.

 

[Truth7t7]

Fine. Stop bringing up women pastors as a problem in the same breath and category with LGBT pastors, and I will never say anything about you insinuating again. As I said, these two are separate issues.

The chapter you cited to support your view does not hold water, because Phoebe is mentioned as an exemplary deacon.
So if "deacons' wives" and "deacons being husbands of one wife" being mentioned did not prevent Phoebe from Romans 16:1 from being a distinguished deacon enough to be sent to Rome as an emissary, what gives?
Strong's Greek 1249, the same word used in Timothy, that you cite.

Phoebe a female wasn't a Deacon in the Church, that would be your adding to the scripture.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.