By Works

[preacher4truth]

Many in a legalistic condition need to fear god for thinking they are what they are not.

we are saved by faith, not by how good we are

No, we're saved by grace, faith is the consequence of salvation, not the cause.

 

[Scribe]

No, we're saved by grace, faith is the consequence of salvation, not the cause.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Through Faith means that we must have faith before the Grace is granted. And yet we can also say that the Faith itself is a gift of Grace. So it all points to the Grace of God but never are we saved without Faith.

 

[preacher4truth]

I know that I would have and that is what the Holy Spirit told me. "Repent or you will wake up in hell with eternal regret" so I repented. and I am saved and not playing around with those sins any longer. You believe what you want, I know what the parable means and the context in which it was given, it is about the Pharisees being like the elder brother when they should have been glad that their fellow jewish brothers who were living lives condemned by the law were coming to Jesus to hear about repentance and the kingdom of God, the Pharisees sure were not getting them to come to hear them. They should have been glad. They had the wrong heart. It is not about what happens when a born again christian backslides and to make it about that is a misinterpretation, bad hermeneutics and prone to all sorts of private interpretation.

We have a member here who formerly exhibited poor behavior.

We were able to instruct her in some doctrines, Scripture, edification, and she turned around bearing joy, repentance and a sweet spirit. Her change was very good to see.

But (and of course there is a "but" right?)

Several here began to insult her, belittle her, attack and bully her for her new found joy, actions, sweet spirit, fruit, and one of her friends encouraging her was insulted as well.

That is how they reacted. Instead of rejoicing with her, they played the eldest son, and you're engaged with one of them.

 

[preacher4truth]

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Through Faith means that we must have faith before the Grace is granted. And yet we can also say that the Faith itself is a gift of Grace. So it all points to the Grace of God but never are we saved without Faith.

Faith is a gift obtained from God by divine allotment, 2 Peter 2:1.

Grace isn't granted for any reason to man, it is unmerited, it isn't given because we had "faith" which would be merit. So I totally disagree with your take with all due respect.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know that I would have and that is what the Holy Spirit told me. "Repent or you will wake up in hell with eternal regret" so I repented. and I am saved and not playing around with those sins any longer. You believe what you want, I know what the parable means and the context in which it was given, it is about the Pharisees being like the elder brother when they should have been glad that their fellow jewish brothers who were living lives condemned by the law were coming to Jesus to hear about repentance and the kingdom of God, the Pharisees sure were not getting them to come to hear them. They should have been glad. They had the wrong heart. It is not about what happens when a born again christian backslides and to make it about that is a misinterpretation, bad hermeneutics and prone to all sorts of private interpretation.

That’s not the HS talking to you, I am not sure who it is

Jesus promised me eternal life not conditional, he does not go back on his promises,
but hey, if you think your righteous, well feel free..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Through Faith means that we must have faith before the Grace is granted. And yet we can also say that the Faith itself is a gift of Grace. So it all points to the Grace of God but never are we saved without Faith.

Yep, many people had faith and lived many years of faith and due to some circumstance, became week in faith and became prodigal children

god loved them as much. He chastened th am, and in the end they came back. But many do Not make it back before death

 

[Scribe]

That’s not the HS talking to you, I am not sure who it is

Jesus promised me eternal life not conditional, he does not go back on his promises,
but hey, if you think your righteous, well feel free..

Whatever works for you to live a holy life. Just beware if at anytime your doctrine is allowing you to have pet sins.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Whatever works for you to live a holy life. Just beware if at anytime your doctrine is allowing you to have pet sins.

We all have besetting sins

no child of god sins because he thinks it’s ok.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

If you are proclaiming that you have never committed a sin after you were born again, you are deceiving yourself, and the truth is not in you. 1 John1:8

I already addressed that scripture that you falsely use against me.

If you are suggesting that the scripture is wrong to say that a born again believer stops sinning than I'll believe the Bible over you.

Disregard and twist those scriptures all you want.

I choose to let the scripture speak to me and change me whatever the cost.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

But wait
god gives freedom to chose life
but not eternal life?

Man that’s out there

That's exactly right.
I will agree that it is a hard doctrine, and it was rejected by most of God's born again children back when Jesus taught it.

John 6:60, Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, this is an hard saying, who can hear it?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I already addressed that scripture that you falsely use against me.

If you are suggesting that the scripture is wrong to say that a born again believer stops sinning than I'll believe the Bible over you.

Disregard and twist those scriptures all you want.

I choose to let the scripture speak to me and change me whatever the cost.

Some people are hard headed enough to stick with a false doctrine that they have been taught, even if it does not harmonize with all of the other scriptures. You call it twisting the scriptures. I call it harmonizing the scriptures.

 

[Jackson123]

I've shared this with him in the past. We had a person who said he lives in drunkenness and fornication. I warned said person with 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and he appeared to take it to heart later on. Others coddled him in his sin, and attempted to shame me over it. They cannot get past the error of "I made a one time decision, it is all good from here on out!" Instead of being theologically astute, they were inept and made a grave error concerning ones eternal soul.

If the prodigal, theologically speaking, never returned to the father in repentance, he would prove himself unconverted no matter his previous confession. Of course I am hypothesizing this parable as they are, but to the logical biblical end.

Correct me if I am wrong
You believe if a person accepting the Lord, and he backslash, he will repent.
And if he not, mean he never accepted the Lord. Am I correct?

And you don't believe 1 Cor 6:9-11 is true, you believe drunkenness not go to hell as long as he believe Jesus is God. Am I correct?
Do you believe 1 cor 6:9-11 the word of God?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Some people are hard headed enough to stick with a false doctrine that they have been taught

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

I'll be hard headed in the truth.

I was taught by the scriptures through the wisdom given to me by the Holy Ghost.

 

[preacher4truth]

Correct me if I am wrong
You believe if a person accepting the Lord, and he backslash, he will repent.
And if he not, mean he never accepted the Lord. Am I correct?

And you don't believe 1 Cor 6:9-11 is true, you believe drunkenness not go to hell as long as he believe Jesus is God. Am I correct?
Do you believe 1 cor 6:9-11 the word of God?

You've not understood me my brother.

Not sure what you mean by "accepted the Lord." Who is man to "accept" Him? WE are accepted in Christ by God, not the reverse, Ephesians 1.

I see no language in the bible asking a man to "accept" the Lord, instead they are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel, salvation isn't by deciding via our will, John 1:13.

The "accept" Jesus message is a feeble, weak, truncated man made "gospel" that offends no one. It isn't Bible. Bottom line? We are either truly converted, or we are not.

Not sure how you came up with I don't believe 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is true when I defended it as truth, and warned another person professing to be a believer using that very text against his announced practice of fornication and drunkenness, telling him to not be deceived. They that practice this are not truly converted. Of course I believe that passage, I believe all of Scripture.

 

[preacher4truth]

That’s not the HS talking to you, I am not sure who it is

Jesus promised me eternal life not conditional, he does not go back on his promises,
but hey, if you think your righteous, well feel free..

More ad hominem belittling.

 

[Jackson123]

I see no language in the bible asking a man to "accept" the Lord, instead they are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel, salvation isn't by deciding via our will, John 1:13.

Ok my brother, to me believe in Jesus mean accepted that Jesus is God.

Seem to me if a man converted, he no longer drunk or kill or steal. Am I correct?

Do you believe the converted man change his mind and back to kill or drunk?

 

[Jackson123]

Do you believe the converted man change his mind and back to kill or drunk?

Let me correct my question
Do you believe converted man may change his mind and back to drunk?

 

[Chester]

No, we're saved by grace, faith is the consequence of salvation, not the cause.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith

grace in the Greek is probably instrumental case (dative case ending)
"through" is the Greek preposition "dia"

I am not sure that a study of the Greek wording here adds much to what the English says about it.

So with only this verse there are going to be various ways to explain it. But I do not think this verse says that faith is a "consequence" of salvation. But if one begins with the doctrine of Calvinism, then one is forced to interpret the text in a certain way.

 

[Chester]

I already addressed that scripture that you falsely use against me.

If you are suggesting that the scripture is wrong to say that a born again believer stops sinning than I'll believe the Bible over you.

Disregard and twist those scriptures all you want.

I choose to let the scripture speak to me and change me whatever the cost.

Micaiah-imla,

Are you saying there is a Scripture that says that a "born again believer stops sinning"?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Welp we have a new emoji queen
it’s ok. She is just proving me right about her attitude