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EleventhHour

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Duskey said:
I will if you’d like but I strongly encourage you to read the Bible yourself.
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After removing the Calvinist lens .....and recognizing all five tenets are either completely in error or while presenting as one thing is really something else.
 
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You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
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Where does scripture state that perseverance is a gift?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The world that he told us not to love was the system of godliness

that same world that is those who are in it, he loves

he loved you did he not

yet you were part of that world. So I guess god did not love you?

no place in John 6 did Jesus said he died for the world or died for anyone, john 6 is talking about receiving the gift. John 3 is who the gift is offered to,

context my friend don’t judge when you err yourself
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John 3 has reference to the WORLD OF BELIEVERS. The natural man, before he has been quickened, does not have spiritual faith, and cannot discern the things of the Spirit which he thinks is foolishness. If you do not harmonize all of the scriptures, you do not understand the doctrine that Jesus taught. God quickens the natural man, while he is still spiritually dead, thinking it to be foolish. Eph 2.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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EleventhHour said:
Oh I know the word world here is actually elect..... I just wonder why your god cannot get the words right?

Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you will see me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged (John 16:7-11)
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The WORLD OF HIS ELECT, before God quickens them are full of wrath even as those that are not of his elect, and he will convict them of sin, and righteousness, and of judgement. My God and your God, witch is the same God. The difference is that God, evidently, has the truth of Christ's doctrine hidden from you.

John 14; Jesus is talking to Philip about sending him the comforter, when he goes away, to convict the world of his elect, including Philip, of sin, etc.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ForestGreenCook said:
John 3 has reference to the WORLD OF BELIEVERS. The natural man, before he has been quickened, does not have spiritual faith, and cannot discern the things of the Spirit which he thinks is foolishness. If you do not harmonize all of the scriptures, you do not understand the doctrine that Jesus taught. God quickens the natural man, while he is still spiritually dead, thinking it to be foolish. Eph 2.
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It can’t be believers because the world he died for had not yet believed
he said he was not sent to condemn the world
he also said he was sent so the would MIGHT be saved (salvation is not assured)
The reason he also gives. Whoever believes is not condemned (saved) whoever dies not believe is condemned already

You can not force Jesus to speak of
Individual People If he wanted us to know he only lived the elect. He would have used the word for elect
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Grandpa said:
You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
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We can’t persevere in our own strength...it must come from the Holy Spirit?......if we endure in the Lord’s strength...we will succeed.....I guess it’s learning to give our will up?....letting God work in and through us.....he gets us to that place....we just rest in him?
 
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jackrosie said:
We can’t persevere in our own strength...it must come from the Holy Spirit?
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The Bible says that it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure (Phil 2:13).

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil 2:12)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
God gives us the ability and the hope to trust But we chose to trust him or continue to reject him

He does Not force us to trust him
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I disagree,my belief..the Holy Spirit,keeps us trusting in him....we do nothing in our own strength.....a true born again would never reject the Lord.....”Never” and it’s not up for debate...you can not reject the Holy Spirit,when he dwells in a believers heart!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I disagree,my belief..the Holy Spirit,keeps us trusting in him....we do nothing in our own strength.....a true born again would never reject the Lord.....”Never” and it’s not up for debate...you can not reject the Holy Spirit,when he dwells in a believers heart!
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I never have

But the HS will never enter a person who is still unjustified
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It can’t be believers because the world he died for had not yet believed
he said he was not sent to condemn the world
he also said he was sent so the would MIGHT be saved (salvation is not assured)
The reason he also gives. Whoever believes is not condemned (saved) whoever dies not believe is condemned already

You can not force Jesus to speak of
Individual People If he wanted us to know he only lived the elect. He would have used the word for elect
Not Kosmos (World)
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Do you ignore all of the scriptures that have reference to God's elect?

For instance; Isaiah 65:22, Matt 24:24, Mark 13:27, Luke 18:7, Rom 8:33, Col 3:12, 1 Pet 2, 2 John 1:1, 2 John 1:13, Rom 9:11, Rom 11:5 & 7, 1 Thes 1:4, 2 Pet 1:10, 1 Pet 5:13, Matt 20:16, Mark 13:20, John 15:16, John 15:19, Acts 22:14, Rom 16:13, Eph 1:4, 2 Thes 2:13, James 2:5, 2 Pet 2:9, Rev 17:14. Do you try not to harmonize these scriptures?

If you think that it is God's will that all mankind live in heaven with him, then you must think that he cannot accomplish his will, which is not in harmony with Dan 4:35.
 
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