Sabbath Obligation?

[garee]

We will disagree, I don't follow 7th Day Adventism Or Ellen G. White

However the early church was established on the 7th day sabbath a fact

(Sunday) the first day of the week, was established by Roman Emperor Constantine in 321AD as shown in my previous post.

(The Church Was Established On The Sabbath) Preaching The Word

Acts 13:42-49KJV
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

Again its not that popular idea but by gleaning the word comparing the spiritual unseen understanding of faith to faith it works out in the end. The word rest (sabbath) is a non time sensitive word . Attaching time to it destroys the meaning.

It a word that paraphrasers argued about then just as today .


The Youngs literal translated it correctly introducing of the new era of rest a day to share the gospel with others . The day he said let there be light in one verse, but replaces or usurps it with a time element week in other verse (3) like other paraphrase's . Using the word week (sabbatismos) .A word that at the time of the inspiration was not used , Changing rest (sabbatismos) into a limited time period week (evdomáda ) the King James usurps the meaning of rest 9 times .

Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV) In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

Why the Youngs changed the sabbatismos (rest) into evdomáda (week) like others paraphrase's again a word not used when inspired is a mystery to me.

When the verse was inspired three kosher meals were allowed to share with the neighbors. The true fast that can cast out lying spirts (a picture of the gospel)

He was bragging (false pride) that slim Jim only ate two meals and on the same day. while bragging how much money he put in the pot.

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

It should read; I fast twice on the Sabbath, the day of rest , I give tithes of all things, on the day of rest -- as many as I possess.

If twice in the week? What days? (Tuesday and Thursday?) .The verse is made senseless .

 

[posthuman]

It is hard for us to discuss scripture because from your former post I know you deny that the Lord tells you to celebrate His plan for our salvation with feasts God planned for us. You read Jeremiah 31:31-34 as saying God cancelled these feasts. I am as sure they are not cancelled as you are sure they are cancelled. Discussing it further is only spinning our wheels.

if we are to keep them we are sure not to keep them according to the letter of the law.
the law requires the sacrifice of animals as part of their observance. there is no more sacrifice. the law requires the temple service; there is no more physical temple.

seeing that the law requires temple service - yes even the weekly sabbath has its blood offerings commanded in the Torah! - why do we suppose God saw fit to remove the temple, after His Son fulfilled the work?

the jots, the tittles --- so many of them speak of the things that are now impossible to be performed physically. but "we know the law is spiritual" --- why is it so? what is He telling us by this

 

[Truth7t7]

we would all be well-served if when we think about the sabbath day we sought Christ in it, rather than looking at it as a law of works that must be performed under threat of condemnation or reward.

every time we get one of these threads there is way more talk about judging people than there is about the beautiful picture of Christ that God gave us in these laws -- both in the 7th and in the 8th day!

No such thing as the 8th day, a big Fairy tale

 

[posthuman]

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

It should read; I fast twice on the Sabbath, the day of rest , I give tithes of all things, on the day of rest -- as many as I possess.

If twice in the week? What days? (Tuesday and Thursday?) .The verse is made senseless .

i don't understand; how does it make sense to fast twice on a single certain day?
skip lunch and dinner, only have breakfast? that doesn't make it a fast day lol many days i only eat one meal, but it's not fasting.

 

[posthuman]

No such thing as the 8th day, a big Fairy tale

i'm afraid it's clear you're either a liar, blind, or ignorant, friend.
only if it's the latter, that you simply don't know, can i help you. God alone can help you if it's one of the first 2

For seven days you shall present food offerings to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall hold a holy convocation and present a food offering to the Lord. It is a solemn assembly; you shall not do any ordinary work. ​

(Leviticus 23:36) ​

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what day is a male child circumcised, according to scripture? go and look it up.

 

[posthuman]

gematria of the name of Jesus:

888​

coincidence?

 

[Truth7t7]

if we are to keep them we are sure not to keep them according to the letter of the law.
the law requires the sacrifice of animals as part of their observance. there is no more sacrifice. the law requires the temple service; there is no more physical temple.

seeing that the law requires temple service - yes even the weekly sabbath has its blood offerings commanded in the Torah! - why do we suppose God saw fit to remove the temple, after His Son fulfilled the work?

the jots, the tittles --- so many of them speak of the things that are now impossible to be performed physically. but "we know the law is spiritual" --- why is it so? what is He telling us by this

Your response is that of the (Pharisees)

Jesus Christ gave the very clear teaching on how the Sabbath was to be observed, in (Grace) and (Well Doing), simple

The Christian's that teach the (Biblical) 7th day Sabbath are treated as Jesus Christ was?

The Pharisees joined in council, and plotted to destroy Jesus as seen in verse 14 below.

Matthew 12:1-14KJV
1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

 

[posthuman]

No such thing as the 8th day, a big Fairy tale

Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto Me; likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it Me.​

(Exodus 22:29-30)​

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When a bullock, or a sheep, or a goat, is brought forth, then it shall be seven days under the dam; and from the eighth day and thenceforth it shall be accepted for an offering made by fire unto the Lord.​

(Leviticus 22:27)​

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But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean.​

And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.​

(Leviticus 15:28-29)​

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And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any, came behind Him, and touched the border of His garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.​

(Luke 8:43)​

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And He said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.​

(Luke 8:48)​

a man unskillful with a sword is as much a danger to himself and his companions as he is to his enemy.

 

[posthuman]

have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

go and learn what it means, I will have mercy rather than sacrifice

 

[posthuman]

how long has it been since @lightbearer was banned?

it is heartwarming to see old familiar faces.

 

[posthuman]

No such thing as the 8th day, a big Fairy tale

Genesis 1. 6 days of creation. they are numbered, called by ordinal names, 'the first day' and 'the second day' and so on in series. this is how God describes them to man. evening and morning.
a seventh day is spoken of. evening is not mentioned. morning is not mentioned.
what happens next is the eighth day.

the next thing described that God does after the creation and the day in which God was refreshed is that He planted Eden, and He took Adam from where he had been created and placed him in it. Adam wasn't created in the garden; in the day after the 7th day God placed him in paradise.

the next mention of 'evening' is here:

And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
(Genesis 8:11)​

the next mention of 'morning' is here:

And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city!​

And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
(Genesis 19:15-16) ​

 

[posthuman]

No such thing as the 8th day, a big Fairy tale

it is on an eighth day that Christ revealed His glory

And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, ​

He took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.​

As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening. ​

(Luke 9:28-29)​

 

[Truth7t7]

Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto Me; likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it Me.​

(Exodus 22:29-30)​

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When a bullock, or a sheep, or a goat, is brought forth, then it shall be seven days under the dam; and from the eighth day and thenceforth it shall be accepted for an offering made by fire unto the Lord.​

(Leviticus 22:27)​

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But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean.​

And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.​

(Leviticus 15:28-29)​

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And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any, came behind Him, and touched the border of His garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.​

(Luke 8:43)​

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And He said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.​

(Luke 8:48)​

a man unskillful with a sword is as much a danger to himself and his companions as he is to his enemy.

7 days in Creation, on the 7th day God rested

You can claim 8th?

It can be 9th, 10th, or whatever?

7 literal days of Creation, there is no 8th day.

 

[posthuman]

No such thing as the 8th day, a big Fairy tale

“Now, sirs,” I said, “it is possible for us to show how the eighth day possessed a certain mysterious import, which the seventh day did not possess, and which was promulgated [intimated] by God through these rites.” … “The command of circumcision, again, bidding the Jews always circumcise the children on the eighth day, was a type of the true circumcision, by which we are circumcised from deceit and iniquity through Him who rose from the dead on the first day after the Sabbath, [namely through] our Lord Jesus Christ. For the first day after the Sabbath, remaining the first of all the days, is called, however, the eighth, according to the number of all the days of the cycle, and remain the first.” … “You know, then, sirs, ” I said, “that God has said in Isaiah to Jerusalem: ‘I saved thee in the deluge of Noah.’ By this which God said was meant that the mystery of saved men appeared in the deluge. For righteous Noah, along with the other mortals at the deluge, i.e., with his own wife, his three sons, and their wives, being eight in number, were a symbol of the eighth day, wherein Christ appeared when He rose from the dead, for ever the first in power. For Christ, being the first-born of every creature, became again the chief of another race regenerated by Himself through water, and faith, and wood, containing the mystery of the cross; even as Noah was saved by wood when he rode over the waters with his household.” ​

Justin Martyr - Dialogue with Trypho 24:41:138. [A.D. 160].​

 

[posthuman]

7 days in Creation, on the 7th day God rested

You can claim 8th?

It can be 9th, 10th, or whatever?

7 literal days of Creation, there is no 8th day.

ignorant, blind, or a liar.
definitely one or more of the 3. i hope only ignorant, and i pray you're not stupid, as scripture defines stupid: "refusing correction"
ignorant, i can help.
liar, i cannot help. blind, i cannot help. stupid, i cannot help.

My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
(John 5:17)


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what is today?

 

[Truth7t7]

ignorant, blind, or a liar.
definitely one or more of the 3. i hope only ignorant, and i pray you're not stupid, as scripture defines stupid: "refusing correction"
ignorant, i can help.
liar, i cannot help. blind, i cannot help. stupid, i cannot help.

My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. ​

(John 5:17)​

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what is today?

If God chose the 7th day to rest, I guess its good enough for me

Genesis 2:1-3KJV
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 

[Blik]

If you really keep the Sabbath and not work the system, no fire allowed on Saturday.

In Acts 15 it tells of the problem of gentiles accepting God, but not accepting the rules that were to guide Jews to the law like no fire on the Sabbath. It was decided that gentiles need not follow the customs that Moses gave the Jews. The law of the Lord is based on love, every one of them. Keeping the Sabbath is based on "love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and strength. It is a commandment based on love, not a Jewish custom like no fire on the Sabbath. No fire on the Sabbath is a Jewish custom that helped them honor the Sabbath, not a commandment to gentiles.

Today's church does not honor the Sabbath as God gave it to us. Christ loved the organized church of our land as well as the church of those who love him. As is pointed out in Revelations as it speaks of the seven churches, God praises those members who know the truth. Those members God praises remain a member of the organized church even though they know something is wrong.

 

[posthuman]

If God chose the 7th day to rest, I guess its good enough for me

Genesis 2:1-3KJV
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

that's fine, and also utterly irrelevant to our conversation.

It came to pass on the eighth day that Moses called Aaron and his sons and the elders of Israel.
(Leviticus 9:1)

after the sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
(Matthew 28:1)
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the 8th day which is the 1st new day begins at sundown. Christ rose on the 8th day, the new day, the day with primacy, and if anyone is in Him, he is a new creation.
i am not your enemy but your friend; my prayer is that you continue to grow in knowledge of God, on this and on every day

 

[Blik]

Amen! If Sabbath keeping was still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19). These were commanded by God to Israel under the Old Covenant. (Exodus 35:1)

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a Sabbatarians keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that?

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on the Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

You say Sabbath keeping should be looked at the same way scripture sees the burnt offering. That is not based on any scripture, and it is contrary to scripture we are given.

We are to look at the burnt offering as a way of explaining Christ, part of the sacrificial system. It was a picture of what Christ did, and we are told that blood sacrificed was the blood of Christ. If we use the blood of animals or burnt offerings now it is denying Christ.

The blessing God gave the last day of the week was done at creation. To change it would be to change creation.

 

[Benadam]

the so called (Church) has tried desperately to christianize pagan times and days.

You don't understand how the pagan nations were converted. Pagan religions are founded on myth particular to each. Pagan myth in various degree have a measure of truth. Such is what Paul did in Greece.
The measure of truth in myth can point at the truth of Christ. So those truths already held by pagans is pointed at it's true object, Jesus Christ.

So it's not pagan concepts corrupting the truth of Christ, it's Christian concepts replacing pagan concepts. Pagan symbols become Christian symbols and like Easter no longer means what it did to pagans in the past, now it means the ressurection of Our Lord.