Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?

[Kolistus]

Paul was not talking about losing of salvation in that passage.

So you believe any Christian who is drunk will lose his salvation too? One who envies others also?

What was he talking about then? Sure seems like a clear warning that you wont make it to the kingdom if you do these things listed in Galatians 5:19-21 1 Coritnhians 6:9-10.

You mentioned such WERE some of you, but dont believe it. You believe they can continue in it, but because they "believe in Jesus" its all good. What actually the words "such WERE some of you" mean is: They stopped doing these things, they repented, so they WERE thieves, but are thieves no more.

You would have us believe they are still thieves but God is chilling cause they believe in Jesus.

 

[Guojing]

What was he talking about then? Sure seems like a clear warning that you wont make it to the kingdom if you do these things listed in Galatians 5:19-21 1 Coritnhians 6:9-10.

You mentioned such WERE some of you, but dont believe it. You believe they can continue in it, but because they "believe in Jesus" its all good. What actually the words "such WERE some of you" mean is: They stopped doing these things, they repented, so they WERE thieves, but are thieves no more.

You would have us believe they are still thieves but God is chilling cause they believe in Jesus.

So you believe, according to what Paul is saying there, if one don't repent of his sins, one can lose his salvation?

That would make his point in Romans 5:11-19 silly right? Was it really Christ obedience on the cross, or ours, that made us righteous?

 

[Kolistus]

So you believe, according to what Paul is saying there, if one don't repent of his sins, one can lose his salvation?

That would make his point in Romans 5:11-19 silly right? Was it really Christ obedience on the cross, or ours, that made us righteous?

Yes, a murderer has no eternal life in him. Nor one who hates his brother. This is also in the Bible, in those books you dont want for today for no reason whatsoever.

Romans 5 doesn't negate those verses one bit. Just like John 5:24 doesn't negate John 15.

If we took Romans 5:18 and isolated it from the rest of the Bible, we would have universalism, since all have been made sinners by Adam, all will also be made justified by Christ.

But we know that terms and conditions do apply, from other verses in the Bible.

And as to what made us righteous, the Bible teaches those who do righteousness are righteous, even as He is is righteous. I know you have removed that book from your Bible as applicable today, but it is still there in the letters of John.

Even if we take the letters of Paul, your dead in sins stay in sins Gospel wouldn't work, as I already quoted two verses which negate it. (and there are a ton more, in the letters of Paul alone). You still havent explained to me or Jackson what the words "Inherit the Kingdom" mean but have just asked questions, because you know that to answer something about a millennial kingdom or anything of the sort just does not cut it. The warning is strong, be not deceived, and here you are deceiving people right now, that you can murder and inherit the kingdom, just as Paul your claimed apostle warned.

 

[Guojing]

Yes, a murderer has no eternal life in him. Nor one who hates his brother. This is also in the Bible, in those books you dont want for today for no reason whatsoever.

Romans 5 doesn't negate those verses one bit. Just like John 5:24 doesn't negate John 15.

If we took Romans 5:18 and isolated it from the rest of the Bible, we would have universalism, since all have been made sinners by Adam, all will also be made justified by Christ.

But we know that terms and conditions do apply, from other verses in the Bible.

And as to what made us righteous, the Bible teaches those who do righteousness are righteous, even as He is is righteous. I know you have removed that book from your Bible as applicable today, but it is still there in the letters of John.

Even if we take the letters of Paul, your dead in sins stay in sins Gospel wouldn't work, as I already quoted two verses which negate it. (and there are a ton more, in the letters of Paul alone). You still havent explained to me or Jackson what the words "Inherit the Kingdom" mean but have just asked questions, because you know that to answer something about a millennial kingdom or anything of the sort just does not cut it. The warning is strong, be not deceived, and here you are deceiving people right now, that you can murder and inherit the kingdom, just as Paul your claimed apostle warned.

I see you are a fan of 1 John, no wonder Jackson and you seem to be overly obsessed with murder.

I asked questions because I am curious how you form all these doctrines.

 

[Kolistus]

I see you are a fan of 1 John, no wonder Jackson and you seem to be overly obsessed with murder.

I asked questions because I am curious how you form all these doctrines.

"all these doctrines" is teh ones you are forming. YOU STILL have not anwered 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21 and how you twist them to mean something other than what it says.

Yes you should be a fan of 1 John too, but Paul says the same things... You just twist the Scriptures listed above ^ So you refuse to see he agrees with John. Surprise, the Apostles agreed!

 

[Derek1955]

But Jesus himself announced his first coming was only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24)

Who dare say that His Gospel was not intended to include the whole world.

 

[Guojing]

Who dare say that His Gospel was not intended to include the whole world.

Jesus said so himself in Matthew 10:5.

 

[Guojing]

"all these doctrines" is teh ones you are forming. YOU STILL have not anwered 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21 and how you twist them to mean something other than what it says.

Yes you should be a fan of 1 John too, but Paul says the same things... You just twist the Scriptures listed above ^ So you refuse to see he agrees with John. Surprise, the Apostles agreed!

Chill, we are all having a cordial discussion here. No need to accuse anyone of twisting anything.

John was sent to the circumcised while Paul is our apostle (Galatians 2:9), so while I read 1 John and am aware of its contents, I don’t take salvation doctrine from there.

 

[garee]

What was he talking about then? Sure seems like a clear warning that you wont make it to the kingdom if you do these things listed in Galatians 5:19-21 1 Coritnhians 6:9-10.

You mentioned such WERE some of you, but dont believe it. You believe they can continue in it, but because they "believe in Jesus" its all good. What actually the words "such WERE some of you" mean is: They stopped doing these things, they repented, so they WERE thieves, but are thieves no more.

You would have us believe they are still thieves but God is chilling cause they believe in Jesus.

God does al the work or he does nothing.

Converted thief's converted all kinds of sinners . There is nothing we can do other than believe when given the faith to .All sin and continual to fall short of the glory of God all the days of their life.. Some murmur because like Jonas who became very angry and wanted to die. Jonas said for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

Two kinds of believers .Those who murmur (what about him or her the other). Jesus say just do it .He is the one we seek approval of not the approval of sinners.

It not like God would forget the good works we have offered towards his name when the does work from within us to both will and provide the power of His will to perform the work . He works with us to perform that which he has appointed to us .(His revealed will) . He alone can make out heart soft.

Sf we say we have not sinned and continue to we make Him the liar and thief.

Philippians 2:13-15 King James Version (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you "both" to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

 

[Skovand]

Some people believe not all New Testament is for Christian, and some believe the book of James only for the nation of Israel.

What do you take on this view?

Well lots of the stories and teachings in the gospels only has complete meaning for jews. Jesus was correcting something things and preparing the people for the new covenant. Like when he mentions don’t be angry before offering your sacrifice. That’s something Christians don’t do but we can learn from it about making sure our hearts are right with god when we pray and so on.

As for james I have never heard that claim before but can’t imagine it’s true because it’s doctrinal importance for the entire faith.

 

[Derek1955]

Jesus said so himself in Matthew 10:5.

Before he sent them forth Jesus gave them some directions where they should go, and to whom they should minister, and where not: As their Lord and Master; he gave them strict orders, which he expected them to comply with and sent them forth, saying, go not into the way of the Gentiles; meaning, the customs' and manners of the Heathens they were to avoid; but that they were not to steer their course or take their journey towards them: they were not, as yet, to go among them, and preach the Gospel to them; the calling of the Gentiles was not a matter, as yet, so clearly revealed and known, nor was the time of their calling come: besides it was the will of God, that the Gospel should be first preached to the Jews, to take off all excuse from them, and that their obstinacy and perverseness in rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, might be manifestly clear and since Christ himself was the minister of the circumcision, he would have his apostles, for the present, whilst he was on earth, act in harmony with His mission.
When we speak of Christ's Good News we speak of His preaching which is addressed through out God breathed scripture to all mankind.

 

[Guojing]

Before he sent them forth Jesus gave them some directions where they should go, and to whom they should minister, and where not: As their Lord and Master; he gave them strict orders, which he expected them to comply with and sent them forth, saying, go not into the way of the Gentiles; meaning, the customs' and manners of the Heathens they were to avoid; but that they were not to steer their course or take their journey towards them: they were not, as yet, to go among them, and preach the Gospel to them; the calling of the Gentiles was not a matter, as yet, so clearly revealed and known, nor was the time of their calling come: besides it was the will of God, that the Gospel should be first preached to the Jews, to take off all excuse from them, and that their obstinacy and perverseness in rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, might be manifestly clear and since Christ himself was the minister of the circumcision, he would have his apostles, for the present, whilst he was on earth, act in harmony with His mission.
When we speak of Christ's Good News we speak of His preaching which is addressed through out God breathed scripture to all mankind.

But you do believed Jesus raised Paul to be our apostle, the apostle to the gentiles correct? It is stated in romans 11

 

[Kolistus]

Chill, we are all having a cordial discussion here. No need to accuse anyone of twisting anything.

John was sent to the circumcised while Paul is our apostle (Galatians 2:9), so while I read 1 John and am aware of its contents, I don’t take salvation doctrine from there.

When will you explain to us Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10?

 

[Jackson123]

But you do believed Jesus raised Paul to be our apostle, the apostle to the gentiles correct? It is stated in romans 11

Jesus command not only to Paul but another 11 disciple to preach to all nations, not only Jews

Matt 28
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

 

[Guojing]

When will you explain to us Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10?

Are you really keen to know? For one thing, he is not saying one can lose his salvation

 

[Guojing]

Jesus command not only to Paul but another 11 disciple to preach to all nations, not only Jews

Matt 28
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

In that case, why do you think peter told Cornelius it was against the law for him to be seen with gentiles?

 

[Jackson123]

In that case, why do you think peter told Cornelius it was against the law for him to be seen with gentiles?

Than God say no and Peter went to see that gentile

 

[Kolistus]

Are you really keen to know? For one thing, he is not saying one can lose his salvation

I am extremely keen to know as to how you can conclude anything other than that from those verses.

 

[Jackson123]

Are you really keen to know? For one thing, he is not saying one can lose his salvation

Do you think not inherit the kingdom of God mean go to heaven?
Not lose salvation mean go to heaven isn't it?

 

[garee]

Do you think not inherit the kingdom of God mean go to heaven?
Not lose salvation mean go to heaven isn't it?

I think it means "not inherit". Sinners do not inherit the power to believe. Those in whom he has begun the good work in us do. He continually cleanses our sin . When we shed these bodies of sin the power that drags us away from our first love will have completed the work. Do so with murrurrring. After all it is God working in us to make our heart soft.

Philippians 1: 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: