Critique On Why Catholics Are Hated

[Jackson123]

If it were hell there would be no getting out and no way to pay back the debt. Prison is penitentiary.

Let say Sin is debt.

The debt is so big to the point we not able to pay by ourselves. That is why Jesus die to pay our debt.

The debt is us trillion dollar. We n.ot able to pay.
So if you want to pay by yourself you never out from the prison or hell
Decide before you die, ask Jesus to pay or pay yourself

If you ask Jesus to pay, you are free no purgatory
Pay yourself, never free or hell, no purgatory

If there is purgatory and people able to pray for the love one that may in purgatory, Jesus or apostle will say so. Jesus will say, please pray for your mother that may in purgatory.
How unloving Jesus never teach us to pray for our love one in purgatory.

Pope have power to free people from purgatory don't he?
Why not love them and use his power to free every catholic from purgatory?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I see you haven't a clue about Purgatory. Souls in Purgatory can't sin because they have died. They have died in friendship with God. All their sins are forgiven or they wouldn't be in Purgatory.

Purgatory is A FICTITIOUS place. So anything taught about Purgatory is pure fiction. And trying to connect Purgatory with 2 Maccabees is lame, since that chapter does not mention Purgatory. It talks about praying for the dead, which was simply a Jewish fiction. You will find no such thing in the Bible. There is not a single instance in the OT where anyone prayed for the dead.

Today there are only TWO PLACES for the souls and spirits of those who die: (1) Heaven for those who die in Christ and (2) Hades for the unconverted.

Hades (in the lower parts of the earth) is called Sheol in the OT, and at one time both the righteous and unrighteous dead went to Sheol/Hades. But after the resurrection of Christ, all the saints go directly to Heaven.

 

[Benadam]

The real question is can anyone ever pay for their sin except by death?

That's not really questioned since no one escapes death. The belief in an intermediate state between the state of imperfection at death and the perfection required to enter heaven doesn't present an obstacle to the wage of sin. Jesus explains what is being payed for. He doesn't speak of unforgiven sin. He wouldn't have a gift to give if he had unrepented sin. He wouldn't be in friendship with God. Jesus doesn't use the language associated with unforgiveness. He's speaking about reconciliation with another before death makes it impossible.

 

[Benadam]

There is not a single instance in the OT where anyone prayed for the dead.

The Jews thought Jesus was praying to Elijah when He cried out "Eli Eli"
Obviously praying to someone other than God was common. The rich man prayed to Abraham to send Lazarus to warn his brothers. So the idea that someone from the dead could minister to those on earth was not unheard of.

 

[Benadam]

Today there are only TWO PLACES for the souls and spirits of those who die: (1) Heaven for those who die in Christ and (2) Hades for the unconverted.

When Jesus descended into Hades some souls rejected Him and hell formed. The rest of the souls there were purified and ready for heaven? I'm sure some were but what of the others? Did they go with the impurity they died in?

 

[laughingheart]

I have a problem with the title of this post. If it said "Why some people do not agree with stereotypical depictions of Catholic doctrine" it might be more representative of discussion. Titling something as a direct attack on certain people is not the language of a Christian. It seems to validate hatred. That is not the mark of a believer. Some people may not agree with certain points of doctrine in a given denomination/church, but that is not your title. My pastor once posted, "When your God hates the same people you do, you have made God in your own image." To repeat, I am not discussing the points of doctrine but the affirming of hatred.
The scripture does talk about those who love those who love them, and that that is not exceptional. We are called to be radical. Loving and caring for those with whom you don't agree is part of all of our calling. If you have hatred in your heart, your words mean nothing (1 Cor. 13 speaks to this.) Let us be Christ's love to the world and not make excuses for hatred. Let there be peace on this site.

 

[Benadam]

Let say Sin is debt.

The debt is so big to the point we not able to pay by ourselves. That is why Jesus die to pay our debt.

The debt is us trillion dollar. We n.ot able to pay.
So if you want to pay by yourself you never out from the prison or hell
Decide before you die, ask Jesus to pay or pay yourself

If you ask Jesus to pay, you are free no purgatory
Pay yourself, never free or hell, no purgatory

If there is purgatory and people able to pray for the love one that may in purgatory, Jesus or apostle will say so. Jesus will say, please pray for your mother that may in purgatory.
How unloving Jesus never teach us to pray for our love one in purgatory.

Pope have power to free people from purgatory don't he?
Why not love them and use his power to free every catholic from purgatory?

Purgatory didn't exist when Jesus lived on earth. But it isn't confined to the afterlife. To die with Christ is to rise with Him yes? The presence of Christ transforms and that transformation involves the purgation of sin.
This is a picture of the beginning of that transformation as Christ is recognized for who He is.0

Luke 5

7 And they beckoned unto thei0r partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink.

8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.


The presence of Christ purified Paul's soul on the road to Damascus.

Jesus said to be perfect. It's supposed to happen on earth. If not accomplished on earth....when where does it? It must happen to enter heaven .

 

[Gregoryp]

Really Simeon the Prophet concerned himself. He thought about the Virgin eneogh to know her Son would unite her suffering with His own. Anyone else in Scripture got that?



Your Savior would be disappointed.
you know as much about Jesus mother as you do God. God favors certain people. He's not politically correct.
You don't think much about Jesus do ya? You cant think of a good reason to have a sacred vessel for the Sacred ?God Incarnate in a vessel used for profane purposes. A dirty vessel even for God The Jewish mind wouldn't allow it.

Too bad. Can you imagine how much she would know that is mystery to us? Especially since her pondering is mentioned. She was the first follower of Jesus. There is so much of the Gospel story that came from her telling of it.

Nothing of interest....sorry

God does favour certain people, but we all have the same value. We are one and the same at the end of the day, just that some were chosen before they were even in the womb.

 

[Benadam]

God does favour certain people, but we all have the same value. We are one and the same at the end of the day, just that some were chosen before they were even in the womb.

That makes sense to me.

 

[Gregoryp]

And we must call these organised religions out. They are deceivers and millions of people are headed for hell if they keep going as they are. They have no excuse, the bible has been written in all the languages of the earth for a very long time. Its not as if the truth isnt easily accessible. They have chosen to follow the wisdom of man and not the wisdom of our mighty God. Very few have a personal one on one relationship with him, and the Holy Spirit is nowhere to be seen in any of these churches. How do you tell a tree, by its fruit. All these trees do is produce poison.

 

[Benadam]

The B

And we must call these organised religions out. They are deceivers and millions of people are headed for hell if they keep going as they are. They have no excuse, the bible has been written in all the languages of the earth for a very long time. Its not as if the truth isnt easily accessible. They have chosen to follow the wisdom of man and not the wisdom of our mighty God. Very few have a personal one on one relationship with him, and the Holy Spirit is nowhere to be seen in any of these churches. How do you tell a tree, by its fruit. All these trees do is produce poison.

The Bible documents the birth of a religion that is organized. Why would a structure built around the common worship of those with faith in Christ as is the Church of the NT be evil?

 

[garee]

You do know that all binding and loosing are not the same thing? Matthew 18 is about excommunication not forgiveness of sins. What's that about understanding context?

Saved unsaved is a non issue. Why be concerned about something that isn't revealed? Those rejected at the judgement thought they were saved. Those that were saved didn't know they were. I'll leave it at that because it is a non issue.

The Bible as it is written in its entirety, sola scriptura, warns of of the law of the fathers oral tradition of sinful men. Men worshiping a legion of fathers seen and not our unseen Holy Father in heaven f giving us his understanding by faith The unseen will that works in those born again.

They cannot use the the Bible to support the law of the fathers .God word as the faith of Christ alone is the one source for hearing God not seen and not men seen .

The bible warns of of those of a pagan foundation .Men who say we need man to teach us lording it over ones faith . And instructs us as the unseen father teaches us we abide in Him, the one propmised teacher comforter and guide.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John 2:27-28

Another witness of the kind of faith (not of men who lord it over pew sitters.

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:Mathew 20:25-27

The binding and loosening is a work of the gospel as it is written (sola scriptura)

Peter our brother in the lord as a the serial denier. The person in whom the Holy Spirit worked in to both will and do his good pleasure.

In Mathew 16 our heavenly Holy Father, Holy Papa not seen revealed to Peter the power that worked in the Son of man, Jesus. Peter in false pride the same false pride the Catholic church builds on coming from Satan killed or silenced the power of the gospel .

The one (not a legion) Holy Father, Holy Papa not seen gave words to Jesus the apostles needed to rebuke the spirit of the antichrist(Satan) .The lord not seen said get behind him not seen not peter seen . in that way the devil needs a body to spread his false gospel as oral tradition of men . The one in view. And the lord he forgave Peter of his blasphemy against the Son of man seen . That window of opportunity left when Jesus disappeared . The Catholic have never left repented of their idea that Peter is the the key that the gates of hell has prevailed against. Denying sola scriptura that they use oral traditions to kill the gospel

Catholiscim simply clearly makes the words of God's witness without effect by claiming another what they call Devine authority a sacred tradition of corrupted mankind . #80 in the their bock of law (CCC) And therefore clearly do blaspheme the Holy Spirit of our Holy father, Holy Papa our Holiness not seen. .

Sola scriptura cannot be ones support and ones enemy at the same time . No man can serve two teaching masters. Sacred scripture and the oral tradition of the fathers.

When men seek after the approval of those who lord it over the faith of others as a law of the fathers. Its time to shed the light of the gospel.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16: 17-23

The foundation of catholisicim . . crystal clear... natural unconverted (not born again) mankind savoring not the things that be of God not seen the eternal. , but those that be of men seen the temporal


learn how to distinguish the unseen things of God from those of men seen . Then you will have the born again light of the gospel.

 

[garee]

The B
The Bible documents the birth of a religion that is organized. Why would a structure built around the common worship of those with faith in Christ as is the Church of the NT be evil?

That born again religion is first witnessed with the first martyr a prophet sent as a apostle with the gospel. . Abel . His faithless brother Cain was moved by Satan just as Satan moved Peter forbidding Jesus from performing the work of His faith .

Cain a fool no god in his heart revealed the foundation of his pagan religion .Out of sight out of mind. Plowed his brother the first martyr under.

The Church. Christ's one bride. Did not begin with the Queen of heaven working in our brother in the Lord Peter the serial denier .An example we are not to follow after. John would be my choice .Not the denier.

The Bible reveals who was doing the work of making the gospel without effect. The spirit or disembodied being that some men call the "queen of heaven"

 

[Jackson123]

Purgatory didn't exist when Jesus lived on earth. But it isn't confined to the afterlife. To die with Christ is to rise with Him yes? The presence of Christ transforms and that transformation involves the purgation of sin.
This is a picture of the beginning of that transformation as Christ is recognized for who He is.0

Luke 5

7 And they beckoned unto thei0r partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink.

8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.


The presence of Christ purified Paul's soul on the road to Damascus.

Jesus said to be perfect. It's supposed to happen on earth. If not accomplished on earth....when where does it? It must happen to enter heaven .

Luke 5 not talk about purgatory et all
To be perfect may not happen on earth but it will happen on heaven, where the verse teach about purgatory?

When we die, how we commit adultery, or steal money? We don't need to buy a house when we die, so it is easier to be perfect when we die.

Jesus pay our penalty what purgatory for?

And catholic believe pope able to issue indulgence etc

All that teaching is pagan origins not biblical base

Where the verse say purgatory

Where the verse say when Jesus on earth no purgatory

Say purgatory exist after the resurrection, why not one apostle teach to pray for the love one that in purgatory?

 

[garee]

Purgatory didn't exist when Jesus lived on earth. But it isn't confined to the afterlife. To die with Christ is to rise with Him yes? The presence of Christ transforms and that transformation involves the purgation of sin.
This is a picture of the beginning of that transformation as Christ is recognized for who He is.0

Luke 5

7 And they beckoned unto thei0r partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink.

8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.


The presence of Christ purified Paul's soul on the road to Damascus.

Jesus said to be perfect. It's supposed to happen on earth. If not accomplished on earth....when where does it? It must happen to enter heaven .

Purgatory is a doctrine of corrupted mankind men called a law of fathers. They teach that only a queen mother of heaven entity named Mary received the fullness of Christ's work of grace as a labor of his love. They hail or refer to her as full of grace. Everyone else gets a unknown remnant by which they can wonder, wonder, wonder and wonder with no end to their faith .

Born gain believers have received the end of their new born again faith as anchor to their new born again souls. Having it in respect to the fulness of Christ's grace that works in each individual.. They have no need to wonder and doubt and call that sufferings in a hope someday it will be enough.?

1 Peter 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We look back they by the faith of Christ labor of love that worked in them. . they looked ahead. by the same spirit of faith as it is written (sola scriptura)

Those who have no end to their sufferings are identified as the unconverted. The generation children of no faith (sola scriptura) ... not little none.


Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

 

[Benadam]

Say purgatory exist after the resurrection, why not one apostle teach to pray for the love one that in purgatory?

No apostle ever taught sola scriptura. No apostle ever taught OSAS.
In fact No one believed much of what you are believing until a few hundred years ago. The Bible is a useful tool. No apostle ever taught it is the only expression of the Word of God on earth. That wasn't taught until a a few centuries ago. How can you say Christ taught those?
Those are teachings that sprang from men and recently. No one ever heard them before 1500. They didnt exist. Traditions of men.

If your faith isn't a developement of what is already believed if that development isn't a deeper understanding of what's always been believed, what is it? It's a different faith. In that light your faith is not the Faith that was believed in the beginning.

 

[Benadam]

They hail or refer to her as full of grace. Everyone else gets a unknown remnant by which they can wonder, wonder, wonder and wonder with no end to their fai

You are forcing a temporal definition on an eternal reality my friend. This one gets all the gravy the rest get what is clinging to the inside walls of the bowl. You need to be careful it seems you are close to being hateful to the Mother of the Lord. There is supposed to be a tradition of calling her Blessed among Christians. Our Blessed Mother would be an appropriate way to address her according to the Bible.

 

[Benadam]

Purgatory is a doctrine of corrupted mankind men called a law of fathers. They teach that only a queen mother of heaven entity named Mary received the fullness of Christ's work of grace as a labor of his love. They hail or refer to her as full of grace. Everyone else gets a unknown remnant by which they can wonder, wonder, wonder and wonder with no end to their faith .

Born gain believers have received the end of their new born again faith as anchor to their new born again souls. Having it in respect to the fulness of Christ's grace that works in each individual.. They have no need to wonder and doubt and call that sufferings in a hope someday it will be enough.?

1 Peter 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We look back they by the faith of Christ labor of love that worked in them. . they looked ahead. by the same spirit of faith as it is written (sola scriptura)

Those who have no end to their sufferings are identified as the unconverted. The generation children of no faith (sola scriptura) ... not little none.


Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Purgatory is a doctrine of corrupted mankind men called a law of fathers. They teach that only a queen mother of heaven entity named Mary received the fullness of Christ's work of grace as a labor of his love. They hail or refer to her as full of grace. Everyone else gets a unknown remnant by which they can wonder, wonder, wonder and wonder with no end to their faith .

Born gain believers have received the end of their new born again faith as anchor to their new born again souls. Having it in respect to the fulness of Christ's grace that works in each individual.. They have no need to wonder and doubt and call that sufferings in a hope someday it will be enough.?

1 Peter 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We look back they by the faith of Christ labor of love that worked in them. . they looked ahead. by the same spirit of faith as it is written (sola scriptura)

Those who have no end to their sufferings are identified as the unconverted. The generation children of no faith (sola scriptura) ... not little none.


Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Your hatred of the Catholic Church blinds you. Hatred blinds You should sincerely study the life of Jesus Mother. Do you know that no one can come to Christ if they are not called by the Father? Do you know that reality extends to Jesus Mother? If the Father is drawing you to His Son you will be drawn to His Blessed Mother. If you are drawn to Christ but don't want to know His Mother. The Father drawing you is questionable. This is biblical truth. The Holy Spirit showed me that reading Scriptures.

 

[Jackson123]

No apostle ever taught sola scriptura. No apostle ever taught OSAS.

I don't believe osas but purgatory is not in the Bible et all, why invent teaching that never teach by Jesus or apostle

Galatians 1
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

No apostle ever taught sola scriptura

Read Galatians 1:8-9

Don't believe the gospel or teaching other than gospel that has been preach by Jesus or apostle

Not jesus not apostle teach about purgatory why you believe that man made and pagan teaching?

 

[Benadam]

don't believe osas but purgatory is not in the Bible et all, why invent teaching that never teach by Jesus or apostle

I showed you scriptures that you didn't refute . How do you know if Jesus taught what I believe or what you believe? Or what neither of us believe?

Galatians 1
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

How do you know if what you believe is the Gospel Paul preached? Maybe he preached what I believe. Maybe we're both accursed.

Not jesus not apostle teach about purgatory why you believe that man made and pagan teaching?

They had bigger fish to fry. I don't know if he ever thought there might be teachings that would not be accepted because of where it came from.
If Truth belongs to you it's loved no matter where it's found.
That characteristic which only the Church has is the gift necessary to convert the pagans. Those unable to understand fear the pagan gods even though Christ has conquered them through His Church. We parade these demons publicly and the display is mistaken for worship by those who can't accept who defeated them. The seeds of truth wrapped in deceptions are pointed to their true object and the hay is burned away leaving the dross. When Truth belongs to you truth is loved no matter where it's found.