So I have an idea for a discussion
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yes the teachings and words of Jesus are filled with mercy , forgiveness , hope , Gods deep Love for us each one. There’s also things we need to learn and change like there is in the epistles of Paul .
but the gospel is agora true hope in the world and he’s able to reach us wherever we may be
but the gospel is agora true hope in the world and he’s able to reach us wherever we may be
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As to the OP (if I get the drift of the objective 
), John the Baptist said that Jesus is the Bridegroom and that he himself was "friend of the Bridegroom" (in none of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parables [elsewhere in the Gospels accounts] is "the Bride/Wife [singular]" being mentioned. Nope [see also Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal!]) :
John 3:29 [said by John the Baptist] -
"The one having the bride is the bridegroom; and the friend of the bridegroom, the one standing and listening for him, rejoices with joy because of the bridegroom's voice. Therefore, this joy of mine is fulfilled."
), John the Baptist said that Jesus is the Bridegroom and that he himself was "friend of the Bridegroom" (in none of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parables [elsewhere in the Gospels accounts] is "the Bride/Wife [singular]" being mentioned. Nope [see also Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal!]) :John 3:29 [said by John the Baptist] -
"The one having the bride is the bridegroom; and the friend of the bridegroom, the one standing and listening for him, rejoices with joy because of the bridegroom's voice. Therefore, this joy of mine is fulfilled."
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
when did the doctrine change again ?
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20
at what point does that become untrue ? At what point does Paul’s word erase the gospel and rewrite a new one ? Or is that just based on your opinion ?
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
Jesus here ^ is speaking of what WILL take place in the far-future tribulation period years which immediately precede and LEAD UP TO His Second Coming to the earth (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom [i.e. 'the kingdom OF THE heavenS' (on the earth)], which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth).
IOW, He is "prophesying" of future events that will take place in/during that particular, future, limited time period: Matthew 24:14/26:13 (parallel to what we see as some of the "results" of this, in Rev7:9,14, and in Matt25:31-34[40,45], and Matt22:8-14 [Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/(7:3)]...[and related passages to these]). That is, it is not US ('the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY') who will be tasked with [nor being described as] doing this, in those passages. Nor are these passages describing US ('the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY') AS "the results" of this particular "message" that will go out in/during that future time-frame (IOW, we are not the "a great multitude... of all the nations" in that Rev7:9,14 passage, nor the other passages I mentioned...).
When (in/during that future, specific time period) that "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" will indeed "be near" (for it will be commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19), "THIS gospel OF THE KINGDOM" will be being preached in all the world "for a witness unto all the nations" [Matt24:14/26:13, etc] but not BY "us/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"..., and that particular message will surely INCLUDE that it is "very near" (we're talking Matt24:33 "near"). Note that everything in Matthew 24 (in Jesus' response) is speaking of that which will unfold upon the earth FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (the Olivet Discourse is not covering the Subject of "our Rapture" at all).
Hope that helps.
[this pertains to the "chronology" issues revealed in Scripture, which I only touch on briefly in this post]
IOW, He is "prophesying" of future events that will take place in/during that particular, future, limited time period: Matthew 24:14/26:13 (parallel to what we see as some of the "results" of this, in Rev7:9,14, and in Matt25:31-34[40,45], and Matt22:8-14 [Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1/(7:3)]...[and related passages to these]). That is, it is not US ('the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY') who will be tasked with [nor being described as] doing this, in those passages. Nor are these passages describing US ('the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY') AS "the results" of this particular "message" that will go out in/during that future time-frame (IOW, we are not the "a great multitude... of all the nations" in that Rev7:9,14 passage, nor the other passages I mentioned...).
When (in/during that future, specific time period) that "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" will indeed "be near" (for it will be commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19), "THIS gospel OF THE KINGDOM" will be being preached in all the world "for a witness unto all the nations" [Matt24:14/26:13, etc] but not BY "us/the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"..., and that particular message will surely INCLUDE that it is "very near" (we're talking Matt24:33 "near"). Note that everything in Matthew 24 (in Jesus' response) is speaking of that which will unfold upon the earth FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (the Olivet Discourse is not covering the Subject of "our Rapture" at all).
Hope that helps.
[this pertains to the "chronology" issues revealed in Scripture, which I only touch on briefly in this post]
because you heard and believed the gospel and your faith is in Jesus Christ .
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word;
be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 Kjv
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 14:6 KJV
see when someone takes our belief away from his word , They are turning us from the truth
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
sadly some will be turned away by doctrines that turn a believer away from Gods word and salvation
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 KJV
Please keep sharing his words and his death and resurrection people need to hear the word because a lot of people in this world are explaining why they shouldn’t even bother with how Jesus said salvation comes but instead they should let them explain how salvation works and what the gospel “ really is “
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word;
be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 Kjv
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 14:6 KJV
see when someone takes our belief away from his word , They are turning us from the truth
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
sadly some will be turned away by doctrines that turn a believer away from Gods word and salvation
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 KJV
Please keep sharing his words and his death and resurrection people need to hear the word because a lot of people in this world are explaining why they shouldn’t even bother with how Jesus said salvation comes but instead they should let them explain how salvation works and what the gospel “ really is “
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no not at all but thank you for trying I appreciate it as soon as he was resurrected he sent his disciples out to preach the same gospel he had just taught them .
There’s never a point when it changes from the moment Jesus began preaching after receiving the anointing to do so. Nothing after that ever changes anything he said
I can show you Paul preaching everything Jesus preached from the death and resurrection to eternal judgement based on what we do how we treat others in scripture the gospel is the same as when Jesus preached it . He preached it before his death and they were saved who believed in him .
Then he sent them out to the world with the same message it’s perfectly clear Paul is a servant of jesus and preached and taught the kingdom of God that is the only gospel.
but we goth sort of
Made our points thanks for the time I hope there are no hard feelings because we don’t agree God loves you
There’s never a point when it changes from the moment Jesus began preaching after receiving the anointing to do so. Nothing after that ever changes anything he said
I can show you Paul preaching everything Jesus preached from the death and resurrection to eternal judgement based on what we do how we treat others in scripture the gospel is the same as when Jesus preached it . He preached it before his death and they were saved who believed in him .
Then he sent them out to the world with the same message it’s perfectly clear Paul is a servant of jesus and preached and taught the kingdom of God that is the only gospel.
but we goth sort of
Made our points thanks for the time I hope there are no hard feelings because we don’t agree God loves you
Right.
You are correct... there were some things that must necessarily have been kept secret/hidden BEFORE His death (for this reason: 1Cor2:8).
But which AFTER His death were secret/hidden no more...
30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through [/in] a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.” - Acts 17:30-31
...there is one thing one ought not to be found in attitude of:
"...and having esteemed ordinary the blood of the covenant... "
...for we see:
"18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, firstborn out from the dead, so that He might be holding preeminence in all things, 19 because all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace by [means of] the blood of His cross through Him, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens." Colossians 1:18-20 [see also verses 21-23]
Well, yes... because even at the empty sepulchre, it is said of Peter and that other disciple (John 20:9), "For AS YET THEY KNEW NOT the scripture, that He must rise again from the dead." (and, in fact, there was only ONE of these two of whom it was said, in that scene, that "he SAW [the linen clothes] AND BELIEVED"--and it was not Peter of whom this was said). How could they have "preached 'His death and resurrection'" at any time before this point? The fact is, they did not.
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["...which also you received, in which you also stand..."]
You are correct... there were some things that must necessarily have been kept secret/hidden BEFORE His death (for this reason: 1Cor2:8).
But which AFTER His death were secret/hidden no more...
30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through [/in] a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.” - Acts 17:30-31
...there is one thing one ought not to be found in attitude of:
"...and having esteemed ordinary the blood of the covenant... "
...for we see:
"18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, firstborn out from the dead, so that He might be holding preeminence in all things, 19 because all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace by [means of] the blood of His cross through Him, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens." Colossians 1:18-20 [see also verses 21-23]
Well, yes... because even at the empty sepulchre, it is said of Peter and that other disciple (John 20:9), "For AS YET THEY KNEW NOT the scripture, that He must rise again from the dead." (and, in fact, there was only ONE of these two of whom it was said, in that scene, that "he SAW [the linen clothes] AND BELIEVED"--and it was not Peter of whom this was said). How could they have "preached 'His death and resurrection'" at any time before this point? The fact is, they did not.
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["...which also you received, in which you also stand..."]
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The gospel of the kingdom is the good news that the Son of God is finally sent to the flesh to Israel. Thru God's grace he came.
Israel needed to respond in faith to that grace, which is repent and be baptized.
If they respond in faith, Jesus as the Son of God would usher Israel into their promised kingdom.
It is then that their sins will finally be remitted (Acts 3:19)
But the nation Israel rejected this gospel.
It should be quite obvious to you that no one is preaching or should be preaching this gospel to the Gentiles now, this gospel no longer saves anyone in this age.
Israel needed to respond in faith to that grace, which is repent and be baptized.
If they respond in faith, Jesus as the Son of God would usher Israel into their promised kingdom.
It is then that their sins will finally be remitted (Acts 3:19)
But the nation Israel rejected this gospel.
It should be quite obvious to you that no one is preaching or should be preaching this gospel to the Gentiles now, this gospel no longer saves anyone in this age.
do you think there’s more than one kingdom Of Gods and one gathering of his people into his kingdom ?
Jesus will return at the end of the world to judge everyone according to his word which we either believe or reject. At that time some will be given their inheritance in his one and only eternal
Kingdom.
“ And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:40-43 KJV
this is about the end of the world it is the same event as this this is what Paul and peter teach the church were waiting for and looking for it’s not a different event than this it’s about the kingdom and his second coming that’s when the one kingdom is going to be given
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats....
.....Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:31-32, 34, 41, 46 KJV
What rapture are you referring to ?
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
he’s not returning several times with the angels it’s a one tome event at the end of the world when his kingdom will come forth this eternal kingdom
no I see it as more people need to preach the true Gospel so people can believe.....pretty strange doctrine you keep I couldn’t find any agreement ever with such a thing as The gospel shouldn’t be preached .
Gives me the willies to even entertain the thought really
Jesus will return at the end of the world to judge everyone according to his word which we either believe or reject. At that time some will be given their inheritance in his one and only eternal
Kingdom.
“ And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 13:40-43 KJV
this is about the end of the world it is the same event as this this is what Paul and peter teach the church were waiting for and looking for it’s not a different event than this it’s about the kingdom and his second coming that’s when the one kingdom is going to be given
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats....
.....Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:31-32, 34, 41, 46 KJV
What rapture are you referring to ?
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
he’s not returning several times with the angels it’s a one tome event at the end of the world when his kingdom will come forth this eternal kingdom
no I see it as more people need to preach the true Gospel so people can believe.....pretty strange doctrine you keep I couldn’t find any agreement ever with such a thing as The gospel shouldn’t be preached .
Gives me the willies to even entertain the thought really
A few things about this passage:
--this passage is a part of Jesus' response to their Qs of Him in 24:3 which Qs were BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]"--NOT the end OF THE WORLD--namely "the age [singular]" they were standing in and speaking out from, which will be immediately followed by "the AGE [SINGULAR] to come" [note: "age [SINGULAR]" is always attached to earthly time and history, btw])... [Matt13 "end of the age"] when the angels will "REAP"
--these people in this Matt25:31-34 [etc] CONTEXT (as well as the Matt13 context) are "still-living" persons at the time of His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age)... there is no "resurrection" being spoken of in this context, and "goats" will not be present UP IN HEAVEN (this is not such a context/setting)... "the throne of His glory" is an earthly-located throne, upon His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the earthly MK age, aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS"... NOT "UP IN Heaven"--and aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age])
--the phrase (shown in your verse quoted above) "having been prepared [PERFECT participle] for you FROM [G575 apo (NOT "G4253 pro - BEFORE"--said of others elsewhere!)] the foundation of the world" (and said to these "Sheep" of the nations, at the time of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH), is not saying the same thing as "I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." (John 14:2, said just before His death on the Cross in 32ad); they are distinct things (and "prepared" at distinct points in the overall chronology)
This is all I'll put for now... (need to go eat some dinner. )
--this passage is a part of Jesus' response to their Qs of Him in 24:3 which Qs were BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]"--NOT the end OF THE WORLD--namely "the age [singular]" they were standing in and speaking out from, which will be immediately followed by "the AGE [SINGULAR] to come" [note: "age [SINGULAR]" is always attached to earthly time and history, btw])... [Matt13 "end of the age"] when the angels will "REAP"
--these people in this Matt25:31-34 [etc] CONTEXT (as well as the Matt13 context) are "still-living" persons at the time of His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age)... there is no "resurrection" being spoken of in this context, and "goats" will not be present UP IN HEAVEN (this is not such a context/setting)... "the throne of His glory" is an earthly-located throne, upon His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the earthly MK age, aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS"... NOT "UP IN Heaven"--and aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age])
--the phrase (shown in your verse quoted above) "having been prepared [PERFECT participle] for you FROM [G575 apo (NOT "G4253 pro - BEFORE"--said of others elsewhere!)] the foundation of the world" (and said to these "Sheep" of the nations, at the time of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH), is not saying the same thing as "I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." (John 14:2, said just before His death on the Cross in 32ad); they are distinct things (and "prepared" at distinct points in the overall chronology)
This is all I'll put for now... (need to go eat some dinner.
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A few things about this passage:
--this passage is a part of Jesus' response to their Qs of Him in 24:3 which Qs were BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]"--NOT the end OF THE WORLD--namely "the age [singular]" they were standing in and speaking out from, which will be immediately followed by "the AGE [SINGULAR] to come" [note: "age [SINGULAR]" is always attached to earthly time and history, btw])... [Matt13 "end of the age"] when the angels will "REAP"
--these people in this Matt25:31-34 [etc] CONTEXT (as well as the Matt13 context) are "still-living" persons at the time of His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age)... there is no "resurrection" being spoken of in this context, and "goats" will not be present UP IN HEAVEN (this is not such a context/setting)... "the throne of His glory" is an earthly-located throne, upon His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the earthly MK age, aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS"... NOT "UP IN Heaven"--and aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age])
--the phrase (shown in your verse quoted above) "having been prepared [PERFECT participle] for you FROM [G575 apo (NOT "G4253 pro - BEFORE"--said of others elsewhere!)] the foundation of the world" (and said to these "Sheep" of the nations, at the time of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH), is not saying the same thing as "I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." (John 14:2, said just before His death on the Cross in 32ad); they are distinct things (and "prepared" at distinct points in the overall chronology)
This is all I'll put for now... (need to go eat some dinner. )
--this passage is a part of Jesus' response to their Qs of Him in 24:3 which Qs were BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: "the END [SINGULAR] of the AGE [SINGULAR]"--NOT the end OF THE WORLD--namely "the age [singular]" they were standing in and speaking out from, which will be immediately followed by "the AGE [SINGULAR] to come" [note: "age [SINGULAR]" is always attached to earthly time and history, btw])... [Matt13 "end of the age"] when the angels will "REAP"
--these people in this Matt25:31-34 [etc] CONTEXT (as well as the Matt13 context) are "still-living" persons at the time of His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age)... there is no "resurrection" being spoken of in this context, and "goats" will not be present UP IN HEAVEN (this is not such a context/setting)... "the throne of His glory" is an earthly-located throne, upon His "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the earthly MK age, aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS"... NOT "UP IN Heaven"--and aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age])
--the phrase (shown in your verse quoted above) "having been prepared [PERFECT participle] for you FROM [G575 apo (NOT "G4253 pro - BEFORE"--said of others elsewhere!)] the foundation of the world" (and said to these "Sheep" of the nations, at the time of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH), is not saying the same thing as "I GO TO PREPARE a place for you..." (John 14:2, said just before His death on the Cross in 32ad); they are distinct things (and "prepared" at distinct points in the overall chronology)
This is all I'll put for now... (need to go eat some dinner.
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Maybe at some other point we can find something to agree on there’s absolutely no argument anyone can ever make to pull me away from Gods word I’m Christian Christ’s word is my light and life So I don’t think weee going to come together on this.
I’ve said this three times
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 K
that’s doesn’t say nothing else applies it’s part of the gospel
what about the things Paul taught ? Are those “ not to be taught anymore ? Is this true ?
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
and is this true ? Should Christians believe this?
“For we walk by faith, not by sight
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord,
we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:7, 9-11 KJV
does all the hundreds of other verses of Paul apply ? Or does the fact that he first preached about the resurrection eliminate all the validity of the rest ? Seriously consider
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:3 K
that’s doesn’t say nothing else applies it’s part of the gospel
what about the things Paul taught ? Are those “ not to be taught anymore ? Is this true ?
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
and is this true ? Should Christians believe this?
“For we walk by faith, not by sight
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord,
we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:7, 9-11 KJV
does all the hundreds of other verses of Paul apply ? Or does the fact that he first preached about the resurrection eliminate all the validity of the rest ? Seriously consider
Again, at the time that Jesus spoke His Olivet Discourse (in response to their Q's in Matt24:3), and throughout His response even (chpts 24-25), He had NOT YET SPOKEN to them ANYTHING at all about the Subject of "Rapture". Instead, He was speaking in reference to His promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, which will commence upon His "RETURN" to the earth.
This is all they were (up to this point) acquainted with (via their OT scriptures, as well as Jesus' teachings in His earthly ministry, first advent). They would not have known to ask Him about "the end of the WORLD". And this is neither the wording NOR the context of His response in these 2 chpts (nor before and up to that point).
This Matthew 24:29-31 is parallel to Isaiah 27:12-13... note WHO and TO WHERE, and in WHAT MANNER.
Note also what "from the four winds" means (the entirety of both phrases refer to "from the extremities" i.e. no where and no one of the "saints" left out--ALL "saints" will be present and accounted for, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age--ALL "saints" having died before that point will have been resurrected BEFORE/BY this point in the chronology--like Dan12:13 for example--and present to ENJOY the MK age--along with those "saints" who will ENTER it in "still-living" bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children--like Dan12:12 for example... [and 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'/WE will be returning "WITH [G4862] Him" at that point in the chronology])
Biblically speaking, the word "RETURN" is used ONLY in reference to His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (NOT at "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" point in time); see Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN" - when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over 10 cities" and "likewise be thou over 5 cities" (note: "cities" are on the earth); and Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom!)... THEN the meal [G347--including as found in Matt8:11 and its parallel!--i.e. the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom]
[note to the readers: "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]" is NOT "the guests [PLURAL]" nor the "10 Virgins [PLURAL]" nor "the servants" of that particular time-period which immediately precedes His "RETURN" to the earth, where they will still be located upon His "RETURN" there [that is, to and on the earth]--He is not coming to "MARRY" any of those... and these persons will have NEVER lifted off the earth [unlike the event of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]," which is distinct... in every way])
This is all they were (up to this point) acquainted with (via their OT scriptures, as well as Jesus' teachings in His earthly ministry, first advent). They would not have known to ask Him about "the end of the WORLD". And this is neither the wording NOR the context of His response in these 2 chpts (nor before and up to that point).
This Matthew 24:29-31 is parallel to Isaiah 27:12-13... note WHO and TO WHERE, and in WHAT MANNER.
Note also what "from the four winds" means (the entirety of both phrases refer to "from the extremities" i.e. no where and no one of the "saints" left out--ALL "saints" will be present and accounted for, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age--ALL "saints" having died before that point will have been resurrected BEFORE/BY this point in the chronology--like Dan12:13 for example--and present to ENJOY the MK age--along with those "saints" who will ENTER it in "still-living" bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children--like Dan12:12 for example... [and 'the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY'/WE will be returning "WITH [G4862] Him" at that point in the chronology])
Biblically speaking, the word "RETURN" is used ONLY in reference to His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (NOT at "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" point in time); see Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN" - when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over 10 cities" and "likewise be thou over 5 cities" (note: "cities" are on the earth); and Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom!)... THEN the meal [G347--including as found in Matt8:11 and its parallel!--i.e. the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom]
[note to the readers: "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]" is NOT "the guests [PLURAL]" nor the "10 Virgins [PLURAL]" nor "the servants" of that particular time-period which immediately precedes His "RETURN" to the earth, where they will still be located upon His "RETURN" there [that is, to and on the earth]--He is not coming to "MARRY" any of those... and these persons will have NEVER lifted off the earth [unlike the event of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]," which is distinct... in every way])