Chosen by God - A study in Election

[throughfaith]

Here you go. God causing people to believe, and a number of other things!
Some interesting commentary at this link:
https://carm.org/can-god-cause-a-person-to-believe-in-him

• Prov. 21:1, "The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes."
• John 1:12-13, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, WHO WERE BORN NOT OF BLOOD, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD."
• Acts 16:14, "A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul."
• Phil. 1:29, "Philippians 1:29, "For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake."
• 1 Pet. 1:3, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

Acts 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

ok, as this is one of the Calvinist go to verses that gets used an awful lot ,as if no one else believes what it says .
John 1:12-13, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, WHO WERE BORN NOT OF BLOOD, NOR OF THE WILL OF THE FLESH, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, BUT OF GOD."
Its simply saying we don't birth ourselves . Who are you referring to that believes they regenerate themselves ? Its God that gives people the right to become children of God . It also says ' as many as recieved him ' . Thats straight forward. We have to recieve him . How? by believing . ' By whom also we have ACCESS by FAITH INTO this GRACE wherein we STAND and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.( ROM5.2 ) !! could it be that simple , that Calvinists spend so much time trying to mock and ruin ,by denying this ? yes they do . Its God that Sovereignly decided how to save . Let him tell us how he saves . Don't lets have Augustine, Calvin and the rest dictate to God how he has to save . No 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Let us believe God when He says how He desires to save .

 

[throughfaith]

John 12:31-32

Predestined for what? Elected for what?

 

[cv5]

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/philippians/1-29.htm

https://biblehub.com/greek/5483.htm

• "charisthḗsomai, it means to be permitted or granted something (1 Cor. 2:12;Phil. 1:29; Phile. 1:22)." (Zodhiates, Spiros. The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament. Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000.)
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• "χαρίζομαιa: to give or grant graciously and generously, with the implication of good will on the part of the giver—‘to give, to grant, to bestow generously." (Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains. New York: United Bible Societies, 1996.)
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• "it is given—Greek, “it has been granted as a favor,” or “gift of grace.” Faith is the gift of God (Eph 2:8), not wrought in the soul by the will of man, but by the Holy Ghost (Jn 1:12, 13)." (Jamieson, Robert, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.)

 

[cv5]

In 1 Peter 1:3 we see that God caused people to be born again. This means he caused them to be changed internally, to be given the new birth. It was not the result of LFW, but of God's direct work.

• "ἀναγεννάω: (a figurative extension of meaning of ἀναγεννάω ‘to be physically born again,’ not occurring in the NT) to cause to be changed as a form of spiritual rebirth—‘to cause to be born again, to be given new birth." (Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains. New York: United Bible Societies, 1996.)
• "to cause to be changed as a form of spiritual rebirth—‘to cause to be born again, to be given new birth.’" (Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida...)
• "cause to be born again." (Zerwick, Max, and Mary Grosvenor. A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament. Rome: Biblical Institute Press, 1974.)
• “has caused us to be born again” This is the same root (anagennaō, cf. 1:23) as in John 3:3 (gennaō). It is an AORIST ACTION PARTICIPLE, which speaks of a decisive act." (Utley, Robert James Dr. The Gospel according to Peter: Mark and I & II Peter. Vol. Volume 2. Study Guide Commentary Series. Marshall, Texas: Bible Lessons International, 2000)
• "‘Begot’ is archaic, however, and he ‘has caused us to be born again’ (NASB) is probably best. In blessing God, Peter thinks first of the new spiritual life that God has given to his people.1 This being born anew is by his great mercy, a phrase with the same preposition (kata) as ‘according to the foreknowledge’ (v. 2). No foreknowledge of the fact that we would believe, no foreseeing of any desirableness or merit on our part, is mentioned here or anywhere else in Scripture when indicating God’s ultimate reason for our salvation. It is simply ‘according to his great mercy’ that he gave us new life." (Grudem, Wayne A. 1 Peter: An Introduction and Commentary. Vol. 17. Tyndale New Testament Commentaries. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1988.)

 

[throughfaith]

In 1 Peter 1:3 we see that God caused people to be born again. This means he caused them to be changed internally, to be given the new birth. It was not the result of LFW, but of God's direct work.

• "ἀναγεννάω: (a figurative extension of meaning of ἀναγεννάω ‘to be physically born again,’ not occurring in the NT) to cause to be changed as a form of spiritual rebirth—‘to cause to be born again, to be given new birth." (Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains. New York: United Bible Societies, 1996.)
• "to cause to be changed as a form of spiritual rebirth—‘to cause to be born again, to be given new birth.’" (Louw, Johannes P., and Eugene Albert Nida...)
• "cause to be born again." (Zerwick, Max, and Mary Grosvenor. A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament. Rome: Biblical Institute Press, 1974.)
• “has caused us to be born again” This is the same root (anagennaō, cf. 1:23) as in John 3:3 (gennaō). It is an AORIST ACTION PARTICIPLE, which speaks of a decisive act." (Utley, Robert James Dr. The Gospel according to Peter: Mark and I & II Peter. Vol. Volume 2. Study Guide Commentary Series. Marshall, Texas: Bible Lessons International, 2000)
• "‘Begot’ is archaic, however, and he ‘has caused us to be born again’ (NASB) is probably best. In blessing God, Peter thinks first of the new spiritual life that God has given to his people.1 This being born anew is by his great mercy, a phrase with the same preposition (kata) as ‘according to the foreknowledge’ (v. 2). No foreknowledge of the fact that we would believe, no foreseeing of any desirableness or merit on our part, is mentioned here or anywhere else in Scripture when indicating God’s ultimate reason for our salvation. It is simply ‘according to his great mercy’ that he gave us new life." (Grudem, Wayne A. 1 Peter: An Introduction and Commentary. Vol. 17. Tyndale New Testament Commentaries. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1988.)

God also caused the universe to come into being from nothing ,whats your point ? After we believe God causes us to be regenerated . This is a silly point to make .
////This means he caused them to be changed internally, to be given the new birth.//// No one believes otherwise . What do you think we believe ?

 

[jackrosie]

This is your strawman.. that we save ourselves

But Calvinism does actually teach "selection by irresistible grace" and if you accept Calvinism's election then you also agree with irresistible grace.. they are not separate, one needs the other.

Divine selection states that people need not hear the Gospel, they need not need to respond to what they have heard... opposite of scripture.

Divine selection also means the non-selected group is help accountable for a choice they never had!!

Why is it Calvinism does not want to face the logical conclusions of their errors?

Still his question goes unanswered.do you actually understand his question?

 

[Iconoclast]

I just stick to what the bible actually says . There is no Gospel in Calvinsm brother.

That God the Father has given an innumerable multitude of sinners to Jesus and He dies a Covenant death that accomplishes redemption for everyone of them is Good News, Gospel, a Great Salvation....why do you not agree with that?

 

[jackrosie]

and or a God willed, no choice gospel-less salvation as we have seen peddled on here lately!

If God chooses you,you have no say in the matter,God is the one who draws and opened up my heart,...Jesus came into my thoughts when I was saved,the rest was personal.

You don’t understand that,so you ridicule it,because it doesn’t fit your belief system.

I have no problem with that,..because at the end of the day,God Saved me......without ever reading a bible.

He lives in me and I know it,changing me day by day,to be more like Jesus.

I have never seen you Praise God on this forum....not once,for all that He has given to you.....that to me is very worrying.

All I see from you is abuse.......question mark .......?

 

[cv5]

God also caused the universe to come into being from nothing ,whats your point ? After we believe God causes us to be regenerated . This is a silly point to make .
////This means he caused them to be changed internally, to be given the new birth.//// No one believes otherwise . What do you think we believe ?

Yes God caused the universe to come into being.......in exactly in the same way that he caused the New Birth: ex nihilo, and without the participation or council of any mere man.

 

[jackrosie]

Yes God caused the universe to come into being.......in exactly in the same way that he caused the New Birth: ex nihilo, and without the participation or council of any mere man.

Amen!!!!.....How Great Is Our God!

 

[Iconoclast]

Yes God caused the universe to come into being.......in exactly in the same way that he caused the New Birth: ex nihilo, and without the participation or council of any mere man.

The God of creation spoke it into being, and has done so with us as He has given us supernatural life 2cor 4:1-6

 

[throughfaith]

That God the Father has given an innumerable multitude of sinners to Jesus and He dies a Covenant death that accomplishes redemption for everyone of them is Good News, Gospel, a Great Salvation....why do you not agree with that?

You can't sincerely say to someone Jesus died for them . It would be more honest for a Calvinist to Say Jesus might have died for you . Which is not Good news. Where as I know for sure Jesus died for me and anyone else I meet I can say Jesus died for you . You don't know if Jesus died for you ,because you don't have a verse that says He died for you. Your trusting in ' Election ' . Which you have to endure to the end to be saved ( to know if you are truly an ' elect ' frozen chosen .

 

[Iconoclast]

Enough of the
Does it say its for everyone? Does it say gentiles ? Does it say anything about the cross ? faith ? the resurrection? . I guess we can ' spiritualise leviticus also and make that about gentiles in 2020 .

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Should this really mean .
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of those Elected to be saved ,at any time .?

The Church is the True Israel of God.

 

[jackrosie]

The God of creation spoke it into being, and has done so with us as He has given us supernatural life 2cor 4:1-6

In Jesus Name......Amen!!!

 

[Iconoclast]

You can't sincerely say to someone Jesus died for them . It would be more honest for a Calvinist to Say Jesus might have died for you . Which is not Good news. Where as I know for sure Jesus died for me and anyone else I meet I can say Jesus died for you . You don't know if Jesus died for you ,because you don't have a verse that says He died for you. Your trusting in ' Election ' . Which you have to endure to the end to be saved ( to know if you are truly an ' elect ' frozen chosen .

You cannot say that biblically either and be truthful.
The biblical message is that Jesus died for sinners.
We all qualify as sinners.
No where in The book of Acts did any Apostle say Christ died for you, no where.
No where do they say to a crowd Jesus loves you...not once.
The word love does not appear anywhere in Acts.
The love of God is found in the cross for everyone believing....never outside of Christ.

 

[throughfaith]

The Church is the True Israel of God.

I know what Calvinism teaches . The clue is ' calvinism' . it's not the bible is it ?

 

[throughfaith]

You cannot say that biblically either and be truthful.
The biblical message is that Jesus died for sinners.
We all qualify as sinners.
No where in The book of Acts did any Apostle say Christ died for you, no where.
No where do they say to a crowd Jesus loves you...not once.
The word love does not appear anywhere in Acts.
The love of God is found in the cross for everyone believing....never outside of Christ.

Why would we go to the book of Acts ? Just asking ?
2 cor 5 .19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Who isn't a sinner ? That would be everyone.

 

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The God of creation spoke it into being, and has done so with us as He has given us supernatural life 2cor 4:1-6

Wow. A timely scripture to be sure! A new proof for us to use. A beautiful connection between the creation and the New Spiritual Rebirth. Thank you so much.

2 Cor 4:6
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

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Why would we go to the book of Acts ? Just asking ?
2 cor 5 .19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling THE WORLD unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Who isn't a sinner ? That would be everyone.

And yet, the fact is, the Scripture is clear that not every single fallen man will be saved.
Paul deals with this many times in many places in many ways. I suggest you hit the books!

 

[throughfaith]

And yet, the fact is, the Scripture is clear that not every single fallen man will be saved.
Paul deals with this many times in many places in many ways. I suggest you hit the books!

Again aside from a universalist ,who is saying all sinners will be saved?