Chosen by God - A study in Election
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Psalm 135:6
The LORD does whatever pleases Him in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths.
...xox...
The LORD does whatever pleases Him in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths.
...xox...
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Excuses I've heard before, and it's quite amusing you think comparing God to a man somehow honors him. Especially a system that is so often unjust favoritism like pardons.
As I said elsewhere, total inability elevates man to the point that he can undo God's work. It forwards the notion that through sin man destroyed the image of God and is thereby incapable of rendering even a positive response.
But you're free to demonstrate that man is "unable too hear the gospel and react" Biblically. I look forward to reading Romans 3:10, Romans 5:12, Isaiah 64:6 ripped from their context and read in an Augustinian fashion.
As I said elsewhere, total inability elevates man to the point that he can undo God's work. It forwards the notion that through sin man destroyed the image of God and is thereby incapable of rendering even a positive response.
But you're free to demonstrate that man is "unable too hear the gospel and react" Biblically. I look forward to reading Romans 3:10, Romans 5:12, Isaiah 64:6 ripped from their context and read in an Augustinian fashion.
Many on this thread would deny God's rights and freedoms. An unbiblical folly.
Many believe the parable of the landowner and the workers is illustrative of divine prerogative, divine choice, divine election and divine grace. The Landowner was under no obligation to choose or to call to service and consequently reward anybody. Text implies that he did so out of unmerited pity and mercy. What does the board think?
Matt 20:9-14
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
Many believe the parable of the landowner and the workers is illustrative of divine prerogative, divine choice, divine election and divine grace. The Landowner was under no obligation to choose or to call to service and consequently reward anybody. Text implies that he did so out of unmerited pity and mercy. What does the board think?
Matt 20:9-14
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
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No you a free to answer the previous questions, rather than dance around them:
Speaking of intelligence, please give answer to what our Lord is teaching here:
Mar 8:29 And he asked them, But who say ye that I am? Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
Mar 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Why was our Lord hiding from others who He was?
Mar 9:9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, save when the Son of man should have risen again from the dead.
Again, why is the Lord hiding what they had seen?
Luke 8:55 And her spirit returned, and she rose up immediately: and he commanded that something be given her to eat.
Luke 8:56 And her parents were amazed: but he charged them to tell no man what had been done.
And yet again?
Finally, what was the Lord teaching here?
John_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him.
John_6:65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father.
Speaking of intelligence, please give answer to what our Lord is teaching here:
Mar 8:29 And he asked them, But who say ye that I am? Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
Mar 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Why was our Lord hiding from others who He was?
Mar 9:9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, save when the Son of man should have risen again from the dead.
Again, why is the Lord hiding what they had seen?
Luke 8:55 And her spirit returned, and she rose up immediately: and he commanded that something be given her to eat.
Luke 8:56 And her parents were amazed: but he charged them to tell no man what had been done.
And yet again?
Finally, what was the Lord teaching here?
John_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him.
John_6:65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father.
So obviously you deny Scripture, that's enough for me.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
Rom 9:18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
Rom 9:18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?
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You think somehow the potter's clay speaks about God acting completely and totally out of character? I don't deny Scripture, I recognize it for what it says. If we read Jeremiah we can see clearly the potter and clay analogy is about God judging not based on nothing, but based on whether the "clay" works good or evil.
Yet you abuse Scripture by not recognizing the understanding the audience would have had and forcing it into a Calvinist twist in which God acts capriciously.
Yet you abuse Scripture by not recognizing the understanding the audience would have had and forcing it into a Calvinist twist in which God acts capriciously.
Calvinite "A" says.....Got willed it, I had no say and got saved without the bible.
God says, "Faith comes by hearing, and HEARING BY THE WORD IF GOD."
ONE of the above is mistaken, lying or just obstinate to the truth!
HOW SHALL THEY HEAR except ONE BE SENT.......
Their false ideologies are easy to dismantle!
God says, "Faith comes by hearing, and HEARING BY THE WORD IF GOD."
ONE of the above is mistaken, lying or just obstinate to the truth!
HOW SHALL THEY HEAR except ONE BE SENT.......
Their false ideologies are easy to dismantle!
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