The Gun Thread

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saw this and wanted to share-

The Jewish people have been historically oppressed and in ancient times, weapons were seen as the great equalizer, just like today. You can't make slaves and lessor citizens out of people who are able to defend themselves.

You can see a glimpse of this in 1 Samuel 13:19-20...

19 Not a blacksmith could be found in the whole land of Israel, because the Philistines had said, "Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears!" 20 So all Israel went down to the Philistines to have their plow points, mattocks, axes and sickles sharpened.

You will note that the Philistines were the evil and oppressive people and refused the Israelites access to weapons. They even banned the ancient version of the gun store to prevent the Israelites from having access to weapons.

Just like the modern version of those who seek to keep weapons away from people; it is for control and enslavement.
 
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here is a youtube channel i have enjoyed for quite a while, he is mentioning some issues he has noticed in these last of the last days, how a huge mega church will have budget for large expenditures for entertainment at service, yet not be able to provide a few hundred to minister to believers in need, he likens it to Malachi where "those who devour the offerings/sacrifices are warned.
 
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Back to guns, though.... I took my wooden grips off my old Taurus 85, and put them on the new 856. I had to slightly enlarge the pin holes at the lower end of the grips, but they fit fine. The gun feels much better in my hands now... I'll try to shoot it some more this weekend.

As an aside, I'm looking for a small revolver in .22 mag, like the Ruger LCR 3", or the Taurus 941 4"... I've even considered the North American Arms Pug... it's kinda cute.
I'd really like to find a small S&W revolver, but they are way out of my price range.
 
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My S&W 642 was a dandy, and used it was very reasonable, pastor friend had seen an article that it was one of President Trumps choices.
 
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Going to begin reloading 9mm, seems to be a real dry spell for them right now. I found a little $28, 1,000 lb capacity work bench from Harbor Freight ( not a great fan of enriching the chinese) that a guy in a video is using. Looked at a couple from Frankford Arsenal and Lee but expense is a little consideration right now.
Anyone here going to start reloading 9mm?
I am using the Dillon 550
 
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9mm ammo seems to be getting more and more scarce! It seems like every time I get on the Bass Pro Shop or Academy Sports website and try to order 9mm ammo, the site says not sold at location (out of stock) and shipping not available. :(

Thankfully, a gun range near me remains stocked up on ammo. They have plenty of 115 grain full metal jacket ammo for target practice and they also have Federal HST 124 grain hollow point ammo, but those cost $55 a box! They have another premium brand of 124 grain hollow point ammo that when tested, it scored equivalent to Hornady critical defense 9mm hollow points, yet it's only $36.95 for a box of 50. I'm keeping stocked up! (y)
 
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My brother just bought his wife a Glock 44 for home defense. She has trouble handling a 9mm with her arthritis and likes that a 22 has no recoil. I recommended 33 grain Remington yellow jacket hollow points for ammo, if they can find them.
 
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Yes, the 22 is a great way to get repetitions. Glad you apparently have had a good experience with Remington, I have not.
Especially since I can look over at 2 unopened cases of CCI Standard Velocity, lol!
If i were going to poke a hole in a miscreant in my house I would use a 22 as anything more would break ear drums and deafen a person. It isn't like TV.
I recall hit men telling of shooting someone in the same car and how damaging that is.
 
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shittim said:
Yes, the 22 is a great way to get repetitions. Glad you apparently have had a good experience with Remington, I have not.
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Have you used Remington 22 hollow point yellow jackets?
 
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no, Golden Bullets, and some others, probably cheap ones, have had the best success with CCI, and looks like I may have a lifetime supply! ha! Haven't heard of Remingtons winning any competitions and pistols won't use the power and propellant above standard velocity, hi-vel spews the excess out the barrel.
 
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Good article, Gil Hebard over in Illinois had a range that experienced a fire, we tested the theory of what it was attributed to at our range, one evening on range night we had one position shoot only hi velocity, the next position shoot only standard velocity, and the end of the night we swept each position separately and took the dust outside to see of they would ignite, the standard vel would not ignite, the hi-vel dust lit from one side and burned to the other. Seems his indoor range had gravel and over the course of years the unburned propellant had built up to the point when there was an ignition source the range took off and burned down.
 
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I did a google search on the best 22 LR and found this.

Currently the 22 LR ammo that strikes the best balance of bullet weight and muzzle velocity to achieve the greatest power is CCI's Stinger 22 LR Ammo. This round has a 32 grain CPHP bullet loaded to a muzzle velocity of 1,640 fps.
 
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I don't look at the velocity as much. Shot placement and accuracy is more important to me.
When a Hi_vel 22 comes back down through the speed of sound there is turbulence, this takes from the long range accuracy of the round.
Also, in hunting, a hi-vel may puch through an animal where the standard velocity will expend all of it's energy in the animal.
I think of a tragedy locally where an officer was shot a a few feet range by a 357 revolver, all the rounds punched through, the officer was incapacitated but survived.
i heard a dr, report on his internship at a hospital ER in an urban area where there was violance, on Saturday night the gun shot wounds came in, he couldn't tell a 32 from a 38. 357, 9mm, etc. but when he rolled them over you could always tell the 45 because there was a hand full of "person" blown out/missing. It had expended its energy in the target. One reason the 45 ACP was developed.
 
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I’ve always heard that a 45 has plenty of knock down power.
 
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That's it, it expends it's energy IN the target, the energy left when a rounds punches through the animal is wasted.
In Sixguns by Elmer Keith he spoke of growing up knowing Civil War veterans, one from each side, both in cavalry, who spoke of the 36 caliber round ball as the round "that would take the fight out of the man". As the union army NEVER had a contract for cartridges with a round ball, only conical, they must have cast their own or someway come up with them, perhaps loaded the first 6 with round ball and perhaps used the Gov. issued conical containing paper cartridges for reloads while fighting.
In my own experience a friend took up muzzle loader deer hunting, the first year he had a 45, his first deer was hit in the rib cage, nicked a rib, when to got to the other side it bounced back on the hide and rolled around inside, expending all it's energy, it dropped and stayed pretty much down as it died.
blessings
 
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getting involved in the shooting sports lets us mix with good people, good citizens, you can't be a criminal and be a part of a gun club or range, and you get to learn a lot.
 
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