When are we saved ?
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I am calling them out. Just like I called a few calvinists out a few months ago.
If I do not call them out for doing the very thing the calvinists were doing, I am a hypocrite and just as guilty.
This was of seeing everything through calvinist glasses that these two have been putting on is unchristlike. And gives Christianity and this chatroom a bad name.
I think as a member of this chatroom, everyone should call out this kind of nonsense.
I means I guess I could just look oncefallen emails to keep reporting them. But what good would that do?
Paul did not think it wrong to call out peter when peter sinned, we should not be worried either
If I do not call them out for doing the very thing the calvinists were doing, I am a hypocrite and just as guilty.
This was of seeing everything through calvinist glasses that these two have been putting on is unchristlike. And gives Christianity and this chatroom a bad name.
I think as a member of this chatroom, everyone should call out this kind of nonsense.
I means I guess I could just look oncefallen emails to keep reporting them. But what good would that do?
Paul did not think it wrong to call out peter when peter sinned, we should not be worried either
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10¶He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14¶And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10¶He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14¶And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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I am done here too... but making saving faith a gift creates many problems.. “if God divinely imparts faith, then human responsibility is nullified”
It seems to me that in the Ordo Salutis ... saving faith is connected to the rest and does not fail and is not rejected.
Faith comes through hearing the Word of God, through the convicting and drawing work of the Holy Spirit, and through responding to the revelation that one has already received from God.
It seems to me that in the Ordo Salutis ... saving faith is connected to the rest and does not fail and is not rejected.
Faith comes through hearing the Word of God, through the convicting and drawing work of the Holy Spirit, and through responding to the revelation that one has already received from God.
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If I looked at just the Words. I could easily just ASSUME this person was a calvinist. Because they use these terms
However, those terms are in scripture. Thus they are not calvinist terms, the are Gods terms.
Our job is to determine which version this person believes
Does he believe in calvins view (double predestination. Regeneration before faith/justification, Chosen not based on free will but through no free will decision whatsoever
or does he believe the biblical view (predestined based on forknowledge to be conformed to the image of God. Regeneration after justification which is given based on faith in the work of God. Chosen based on free will. Gods grace is irresistible but at same time, Men have resisted in unbelief since adam. SO not totally IResistive, it is a free will decision.
After many posts after a few threads, and after many question. The person being accused of calvinism, REJECTS the calvinist view and accepts the free will biblical view.
This is my point. People see him use calvins terms, and automatically accuse him of calvinism. I have not only seen with this man but a few others.
That has to stop. On both sides.
However, those terms are in scripture. Thus they are not calvinist terms, the are Gods terms.
Our job is to determine which version this person believes
Does he believe in calvins view (double predestination. Regeneration before faith/justification, Chosen not based on free will but through no free will decision whatsoever
or does he believe the biblical view (predestined based on forknowledge to be conformed to the image of God. Regeneration after justification which is given based on faith in the work of God. Chosen based on free will. Gods grace is irresistible but at same time, Men have resisted in unbelief since adam. SO not totally IResistive, it is a free will decision.
After many posts after a few threads, and after many question. The person being accused of calvinism, REJECTS the calvinist view and accepts the free will biblical view.
This is my point. People see him use calvins terms, and automatically accuse him of calvinism. I have not only seen with this man but a few others.
That has to stop. On both sides.
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I have
And I hav not heard this person say one things in the weeks I have witnessed the discussion here that would make me honk he is calvinist
I do however see him continually falsly accused of such, Because they look fr key words (election, predestined, etc etc) and ASSUME thats what he believes
Which is WHY when I see him say something that appears to support calvinism, Instead of accusing him, I ask him a question.
Every time I have done this, His answer is notcalvinist. Nothing near it.
And I hav not heard this person say one things in the weeks I have witnessed the discussion here that would make me honk he is calvinist
I do however see him continually falsly accused of such, Because they look fr key words (election, predestined, etc etc) and ASSUME thats what he believes
Which is WHY when I see him say something that appears to support calvinism, Instead of accusing him, I ask him a question.
Every time I have done this, His answer is notcalvinist. Nothing near it.